Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 172

oneleftout · 02/26/09, 5:56 AM

i am new to arcane i was frost fire previously. i have read alot of the forums and have found out that arcane has been nerfed in 3.0.9. the glyph of arcane blast is broken, and the dmg coefficient on arcane barrage was drastically reduced.

i have a few questions...

1. what are good stats to stack as an arcane mage?
im at about 590 haste, 1900 spell power, and 21% crit.

2. how do i avoid going OOM while still maintaining high dps?
there are many helpful forums that give their suggestions on rotations,
but i have found the actual damage i do when using these rotations to be less than
what the forums claim. the only way im holding down 5500 dps is by spamming arcane blast
until arcane missiles proc then casting that. doing this i am OOM in 20 secs.

3. is there hope for arcane mages in 3.1?
as the arcane spec stands now frostfire is far superior. frost fire does about equal damage to a single target, while maintaining aoe dmg and a damage over time caused by the crit from frost fire bolt and pyroblast. unfortunately arcane cant even compete.

I like playing arcane, i was frost for soo long, and have had my fill of frost fire. please respond with any help, advice or inside knowledge or arcanes hidden potential. my arcane mage is oneleftout look him up if it helps.

patseguin · 02/26/09, 10:39 AM

Yeah that's a great of putting things. There's no doubt that my dps has gone up. I guess it comes down to which playstyle I prefer.

edisphinx · 02/26/09, 12:52 PM

thanks for your fast answers

and thanks for all your work aldriana!

Adamon · 02/26/09, 1:01 PM

Originally Posted by Motrin

A 300 second fight (without movement) is 200 global cooldowns. Here is your breakdown:

18 VTs - 88 ticks/5 (number of ticks per cast)
33 MBs
1 Pain
12 DPs - 90 ticks/8
4 Deaths
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I didn't die 4 times on patch >> plus i did a 6 second dispersion at the beggining of the fight which was on accident but the point is i have alot to work on

Motrin · 02/26/09, 1:02 PM

Shadow Word: Death

Adamon · 02/26/09, 1:06 PM

Ahh my bad on that, But yeah I did do dispersion on accident

scorpy · 02/26/09, 1:09 PM

i have 2251 SP self buffed 15.86% hit 13% crit 11% haste and ma build is 54/0/17 i hardly get 3.1k in OD 3D and other hybird lock in same grp gets 3.3-3.6k dps and i always keep up ma dots.. For rotation SB UA Imo CoA Corr SL. can u help me in here and what am doing wrong or build wrong ? plz assisst

Onouris · 02/26/09, 2:34 PM

Did they remove T.N.T refreshing Immolation trap? I guess that's why using it in the spreadsheet as constantly there doesn't work at all.

That's pretty frustrating. It not only makes Trap Mastery completely useless again, but it also nerfs Lock n Load since you can't even guarantee a proc with immolation any more, and it was never that great without trap dancing anyway.

I'll reword this to make it a bit clearer.

If I make the shot rotation, pet, glyphs, etc all the same as they are pre-3.1, I lose about 500 DPS in this spreadsheet.

Anyone else seeing the same thing? I must have missed something somewhere.

Doozel · 02/26/09, 3:20 PM

how are the DW 1h builds looking? is there a benefit to speccing that way with the TG nerf?

zeus48 · 02/26/09, 3:26 PM

Of course I will update this thread after 3.1 hit the live servers. I'm currently implementing the new glyphs and talents into the model. I personally enjoy the discussion about the (first!) patch notes, but things are not eaten as hot as they are cooked. Everything you read from here on is still 3.08.

Awsome Thanks!!!!

Eisentefel · 02/26/09, 5:36 PM

I noticed something interesting when I was doing H AN earlier, and I decided to test it. Apparently, if you us a cancelaura macro during the cast of a Holy Light, then the Holy Light goes off at full strength. For instance, i was using:

#showtooltip Holy Shock
/cancelaura Divine Plea
/cast Holy Shock

To get an emergency HS in during Divine Plea. But apparently, if there's an emergency during Divine Plea, then we can get off a HL cast that divine plea ticks during, as well as the HS. I don't think it's really gamebreaking or anything, but I hadn't seen this before, so I decide to post it.

rouger · 02/26/09, 5:54 PM

Originally Posted by trangoul

I feel as if 0/40/31 should be added:
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9614
With the glyph choices of Lifetap / Incin / Immo, the rotation of CoA / Corr / Immo / Incin / Conflag at < 3 seconds of immo, and if possible soul fire for execute range (Incinx2->SFx2 I believe is working).

Thanks for the great work thus far though. Its interesting at how close the lock specs are looking to each other dps wise.

mmm i think
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9614

molten core is real good if you keep COA up
i feel loosing 3 % crit and 3 % fire damage is worth the 15% chance for 10% more fire damage. some want to crunch the numbers.

Anjuna · 02/26/09, 7:00 PM

I forgot to turn off titles and guild names.

Runes appear just under the player frame, can see them faded out.

Skorp · 02/26/09, 7:35 PM

I wasn't sure which forum to post this question, and I might have been listed before, but, I'm curious. Out of all the spreadsheets, which do most people believe is the most accurate in terms of comparing dps? I personally know of 3 that I use, but I get different results. They are:

1. Rawr
2. Theory Craft-o-Matic
3. Magegraf

I see mainly rawr listed with even it's own post, so is it safe to assume the answer is Rawr? I like rawr, with exception to it's gem options. Also, are there any other good spreadsheets that you'd recommend that I haven't listed?

darthdusty · 02/26/09, 7:40 PM

Originally Posted by Jacelin

K well i am a lvl 80 night elf TG warrior. Fairly well geared except for a few epic lvl 70 pieces i am wearing. My rotation is BT, WW, slam on crit, and heroic strike as a rage dump. My problem is I am not able to pull off more than about 1900 to 2k dmg in 10man naxx and no more than 2.5k in 25 man naxx. I have seen other fury warrior putting out twice my numbers and i cannot seem to figure out how. Any help would be very appreciative. Thanks alot.

Seems like i'm in a similar situation as you. I have good gear, do the rotation everyone says is best, try to keep my hit and exp capped, but am i missing something? One bad thing i know of is my comp isn't the greatest but how much do you think that affects me? I'm probably just a noob but any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.