Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 173

fred browm · 05/14/09, 4:58 PM

my latency is usually 150-250 depending on time of day, my pet is a wolf
I aleways use a flask of endless rage and blackened dragonfin, we usually get all the buffs in 25 man runs but the 10 man buffs are skimpy.. i also buff my pet with mammoth treats

fred browm · 05/14/09, 5:00 PM

Originally Posted by alarge

I don't know what this is supposed to mean. Do you mean rotation? Or priority? And what do "AS" and "MS" mean in this context? You shouldn't ever be using Arcane shot. And there is no reason to use Multi-Shot as a standard part of your priority system if you have Aimed Shot. And did you mean BA instead of BW?

sorry for the confusion, my rotation is killshot, explosive shot, black arrow, serpent sting, and i fill in with aimed shot, steady shot and multi shot, which ever has their cooldown ready

fred browm · 05/14/09, 5:06 PM

is this the wws your looking for?

hhttp://wowwebstats.com/wv3m3qwlbfwk...00000001dcebcc

Beachwanderer · 05/14/09, 5:13 PM

Originally Posted by fred browm

is this the wws your looking for?

hhttp://wowwebstats.com/wv3m3qwlbfwkc?s=15455-42085&a=x600000001dcebcc

You had an extra h in front of the link... fixed it for you. You only gave me 2 fights to go on, Heigan and Loatheb. THose are pretty bad reports to judge your dps by. Out of Naxx patchwork would be best. From the two fight you linked you did 4k and 5300 dps. This isn't what you described at all.

blaczero · 05/14/09, 5:14 PM

Originally Posted by fred browm

my latency is usually 150-250 depending on time of day, my pet is a wolf
I aleways use a flask of endless rage and blackened dragonfin, we usually get all the buffs in 25 man runs but the qo man buffs are skimpy.. i also buff my pet with mammoth treats

From looking at your Loatheb fight, it looks like you are loose with your shot rotation/priority. Either from lag or from bad timing.

For example, Loatheb was 288 seconds long, and you only got off 41 explosive shots. For that duration with 0 LnL proc's you should have even more than that. (You were however, unlucky with LnL proc's, I see only 1 in 288 second fight.) I would also derive this considering your ExS was 31% of your damage and auto was 27%. The raito should be a lot larger, with ExS being more % of your damage.

Are you missing Black Arrow? I see 50 tick's of BA for the 288 seconds (I don't remember off the top of my head how many times it ticks, but this seems low for almost a 5m fight)

Buffs you have look good, debuffs on the mob look pretty good.

What mods do you use for shot priority / rotation? It seems you need to tighten it up a bit.

CorruptFate · 05/14/09, 5:23 PM

I have been reading this site for a few months now, and haven't been playing wow for even a year yet. But as of late I seem to be pulling out much less DPS, and I can't really see why. I am above the hit cap with 406 hit without any gems or enchants to help me get that (other than icewalker), and have 140 expertise with the use of three gems and no enchants. Just a few weeks ago I was doing a 3.5k-3.7k dps depending on the fight, and now im dealing 2.5k average. When I was doing 4k-4.5k my build looked like this, but then it started to drop and I can't find out why I have changed my build to this to try and see if I can fix this problem, I have regemed a bit from swaping all my extra gem slots (ie. Those not used to get my meta to work or keep my expertise capped, so three gems) to 32AP but it really didn't seem to work so now I am trying those three slots with 16 agility because that will up my crit and work better with raid buffs such as kings.

At the same time, the other enhance shammy in my guild was (he moved to a DK main now) our top dps and everyone of my stats are better then his other then crit, where he beats me by a huge amount (5%) and I can see that 5% more crit will really help out dps, I don't see it giving him the 4k-4.5k that he can do, he says that I just need a better main hand and i can see that helping out but I thought that I could post here and see what help I can get. Also I know our rotations are the same we both us ShockAndAwe with the same priority set up. Here are both of our toons if you think you can help.
CorruptFate (myself)
Ixl

Thx for helping.

alarge · 05/14/09, 7:09 PM

Originally Posted by fred browm

sorry for the confusion, my rotation is killshot, explosive shot, black arrow, serpent sting, and i fill in with aimed shot, steady shot and multi shot, which ever has their cooldown ready

Hmmm. Maybe this is what you're doing, but I'll describe for you anyway. The game has progressed to the point where many classes/specs can no longer stick to a fixed "rotation" and expect to maximize their dps. Instead you need to use a priority system, with a rule-set whose pseudo-logic looks something like this:

0. START
1. Is Kill Shot (KS) available? If so, fire it and go back to step 0
2. Is Explosive Shot (ES) available? If so, fire it and go back to step 0
3. Is Black Arrow (BA) available? If so, fire it and go back to step 0
4. Is Serpent Sting (SrS) available? If so, fire it and go back to step 0
5. Is Aimed Shot (AS) available? If so, fire it and go back to step 0
6. Is KS or ES within 0.5 secs of coming off cooldown? If so, wait 0.5 secs and go back to step 0
7. Hit Steady Shot (SS) and go back to step 0

The only major change to this priority system is when LnL procs. In that case, you'll fire ES, wait for 2 secs (GCD + 0.5 secs), hit ES, wait for 2 secs, hit ES. You'll also need to factor in when to use RF and CotW, but those come up seldom enough that they don't significantly impact the priority system.

Note that I didn't include Multi-Shot in the priority system. Aimed Shot and Multi-Shot are essentially mutually exclusive. You use one or the other. Generally, you'll only use Multi-Shot if either (a) you aren't spec'd into Aimed Shot or (b) there are multiple mobs in a pack.

I use TellMeWhen to track which abilities are off cooldown or about to come off cooldown. This lets me cut down on the decision latency (how long it takes you to figure out which ability to use).

Edit: by "available" in the above system, I meant "off cooldown" for everything except SrS, where I meant "mob doesn't have it on him".

fred browm · 05/14/09, 7:25 PM

thanks for all the replies, the addons i use for my firing are quartz, power aura and OmniCC. I think I use OmniCC most for my rotation

Moshox · 05/14/09, 7:35 PM

Usually AP is about 2EP and AGI about 1.94...
So AP>AGI

But now I have the t8 4set bonus...
So I think AGI Gems > AP Gems. Should I put AGI gems in my Gear as soon as possible?

I looked at the Spreadsheet and search in the forum, but I am still not quiet sure.
I hope somebody can help me.

PS: Excause my bad englsih^^

fred browm · 05/14/09, 7:40 PM

one more question, i can never seem to get off more explosive shots than auto shots, i use ES everytime its off cool down

UnionFTW · 05/14/09, 8:39 PM

Originally Posted by Meyvn

Which is better for dps, +15 spirit or +10 stats...

i would like to add another reason why 10 stats is better. +10 int helps on general vexax hard mode where you can't regen mana. you actually need a good mana pool and int is the perfect stat for that

UnionFTW · 05/14/09, 8:45 PM

on hodir, just before flash freeze, if you are standing in a light beam, use portal there and teleport back after you are done on the flash freeze. it helped me a lot to do the hard mode

UnionFTW · 05/14/09, 8:48 PM

actually my guild got healing mace dropped from hodir hard mode today ( the one that is supossed to be from algalon)

UnionFTW · 05/14/09, 8:50 PM

what pet do you think it is the best to use @ Mimiron?

i have tried with felguard and imp, but both ended up dying because of all the damage around. sometimes it is really hard to focus keeping them alive while doing all the rest of things.

what do you think?

UnionFTW · 05/14/09, 8:58 PM

with the free emalon epics dropping( i saw the same person(who doesnt go raids) getting 2xset pieces in same boss while i only had 1 from my ulduar raids) , i think there is no more point in thinking about 4t7

UnionFTW · 05/14/09, 9:00 PM

Hi mages. i would like to ask what class/specs do you usually gives "focus magic" buff if there is only 1 mage in the raid. because we cant find an arregment who benefits more from it

Staleta · 05/14/09, 9:09 PM

I have just recently switched to combat sword specc (I know its not the best) but i am just curious as to if wound poison/wound poison is still the optimal poisons to use for combat sword specc as of 3.1. Any information would greatly be appreciated.

jojoyojimbi · 05/14/09, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by dustdog

Personally I've found that Jormungar Scales are the quiet achiever of 3.1. Originally, they served only to create the rare quality tank leg enchant and some boots that are probably of no consequence. Any skinners that have kept these and still not sold them could make a nice amount of gold from them; assuming the recipe that require's them ( [Pattern: Boots of Living Scale] ) is available. Originally ~50s each, I see them going for 3-5g these days. Understandably, they seem to be in quite low supply aswell; I only managed to bag one stack prior to 3.1 buying singles and doubles.

at 50s each you should just buy them and vendor them, they sell for 1g each iirc

i hope to get that pattern soon though i've got a LOT of leather stored up between my storage banks

blcklavender · 05/14/09, 10:49 PM

oK SERIOUSLY could someone in plane terms tell me what my rotation for my enhancement shamn should be?

If you wowarmory me my name is "Blcklavender" I'm lvl 80 on Rivendare server

Right now i do this

Main hand-WF
Off Hand- FT

My rotation is as follows

Storm Strike>Earth shock> Lava Lash> Chain Lightning

With my gear and Stats my DPS should be way higher then what i do now which is 1900- 2000 DPS

Also could someone give me an idea of what totems I should be laying

I know some of you are going to freak wondering how I got to LVL 80 and still don't know what my rotation is but It's killing me to know what I can do to improve my DPS.

deliverance89 · 05/15/09, 12:13 AM

I just respecced to elemental from enhance due to guild needs. My gear is somewhat lower quality than most of the raid. Am I doing something wrong in my rotation or just undergeared?

WWS: WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish
Armory:The World of Warcraft Armory

shmaxta · 05/15/09, 12:31 AM

I have just been using the UI

X-Perl UnitFrames

and i just spam heal I am only new to healing but i have been through Nax 25 and Maly doing this

My spell rotation for single targets is usually "Rejuvination" - "Nourish"(while Rejuvination is up) RINSE AND REPEAT
and for RAID heals "Wild Growth" + "Regrowth"(i think its called lol) and just keep HoTs up on the rest

Im no expert and would love some critisism

Xaji · 05/15/09, 1:55 AM

I've been following this thread for some time trying to figure out which direction to send my gear. I currently and reading that agility is yielding a higher dps output than raw AP as far as gemming is concerned. Based on what I'm seeing here, I was wondering if anyone could take a look at where I've started gearing my hunter.

The World of Warcraft Armory

At the moment, I personally feel like armor pen is really the way to go, and the difference is notable, especially when trinket procs are up. Anwyay, let me know what you think and toss out some suggestions if you would. I generally spend most fights hovering in the top 3 or 4 on meters but I feel like I should be pushing more...

Malazarr · 05/15/09, 2:35 AM

I've noticed that agility seems to outweigh expertise even under the cap of 214. Is this a mistake or should I not try to reach the expertise cap as mutilate now. I've always read that it is imperative to reach the expertise cap as mutilate. Also I was wondering if it is better to go 3/3 TtT 3/3 MP or 2 MP 1 TtT. I've seen many different opinions, the spreadsheet favours 2/1, I'd like someone's opinion if possible. Thanks.

zaliisa · 05/15/09, 3:07 AM

Originally Posted by Burberri

People that use imp do so because its cheap (no shard) and they don't care. The VW has a couple of uses in pvp. 1 it has the ability to detect rogues and druids. 2 Its HP and armor or so high that when you soul link to it, its not going to get killed nor are people going to take the time to kill it giving you 20-25% mitigation, and it can be sacked for a shield that grants interrupt protection.

The updated sacrifice in 3.1.2 will make the VW even more attractive as a PvP companion.

"Sacrifice (Voidwalker) redesigned: Sacrifices a portion of the Voidwalker's health, giving its master a shield that will absorb X damage for 30 seconds. While the shield holds, spell casting will not be interrupted by damage. 1-minute cooldown."

It'll be interesting to see how much a 'portion' is, and what the value of 'X' is - but that's a pretty nice thing to have on a reasonable cooldown.

Haalun · 05/15/09, 3:17 AM

Originally Posted by blcklavender

My rotation is as follows

Storm Strike>Earth shock> Lava Lash> Chain Lightning

With my gear and Stats my DPS should be way higher then what i do now which is 1900- 2000 DPS

Also could someone give me an idea of what totems I should be laying

I know some of you are going to freak wondering how I got to LVL 80 and still don't know what my rotation is but It's killing me to know what I can do to improve my DPS.

Your priority should be roughly:

Lightning Bolt (if you have 4-5 charges of Maelstrom Weapon)
Earth Shock
Stormstrike
Refresh Magma Totem if needed
Refresh Lightning Shield if needed
Lava Lash

You should be dropping Strength of Earth, Windfury, and Magma Totem.

Don't bother with Chain Lightning unless there's nearby adds or you are on a trash pack though, it will drain your mana too fast to actually be a DPS gain. It is critical to hit your regular Lightning Bolt as soon as possible after getting 5 charges of Maelstrom Weapon. Get a mod such as ShockAndAwe to help with that if you need it.

Also, your gear has a lot of room for improvement. If you are pulling that DPS in a 10-man or 5-man, then it's not so bad and mainly you just need to gear up.