Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1733

yanhero · 04/22/11, 3:03 AM

Originally Posted by Hakan

First of all I apologize if this is seen as a sad question, but I'm finding myself in a bit of a pickle. I currently am deciding whether to switch out my current chest out with the tier 11 piece, or to switch my gloves to the t11 piece. I used Shadowcraft, and found the chest seemed better. But, I would like to have some professional advice before I make the switch. Thank you

I would get the chest first and hope the gloves drop in BH.

GreyPhoenix · 04/22/11, 6:31 AM

What rotation is used in Exemplar`s Cataclysmic Retribution Paladin Spreadsheet?
I mean at how many HoPo does it refresh Inq with 4p T11? And that is the only question I am interested in, not in full rotation)

P.S. Sorry for my english )

Phyton · 04/22/11, 8:52 AM

Since i didn't get an answer on fury dps thread i hope someone here can give me an hand:

If: meleeDPS = Damage/BaseSpd*(hit%*1+crit%*2.54+glance%*.75)*(1+haste)*(1+flurry)*(1+IAS1)*(1+IAS2)*...*(1 +IASn) (Quoting Landsoul here)

How should i calculate glance % and quantify flurry?

Thxs in advance

Whitefyst · 04/22/11, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Geppetto

Has anyone tried as a goblin to do 2/3 pathing with 3/3 Frenzy with the goblin racial. It looks like if you have 1200+ Haste you can still fit the rotation very tight in under a 200ms latency.

If you have enough haste rating to support the rotation with 3/3 Pathing as if you are not a Goblin, then if you are a goblin you can drop 1 in Pathing to get 3/3 Frenzy. The question to keep in mind though is whether the point in Frenzy is worth more than the alternate of keeping 3/3 Pathing and moving roughly 1% in haste rating to crit and mastery. Which is better depends on your gear, your lantency, and your pet/personal DPS uptimes.

For my character with making it a goblin without changing anything else, moving the point to Frenzy was +75 DPS while reforging 128 haste rating to crit was +79 DPS.

Deztroer · 04/22/11, 11:25 AM

Ive just race changed to an orc and am just wondering where do i throw bloodfury into the rotation as soon as its off cooldown for maxs dps? i cant find it in the enhsim prioriies or in shock and awe

should i tag it to a regualry used spell as a macro ie a shock or ss, or is it best to use it in a macro such as Bfury wolves, tolvir potion, ?? please point me in the right direction with a pst or something so i dont derail the topic at hand

Rustybeard · 04/22/11, 11:31 AM

Hello, While I am aware that testing is still being conducted in this area, I just wanted to inquire as to whether there was any early indications as to what the stat priorities and preffered presence will be for dual wield in 4.1.

I only ask as I have only recently started to raid as a DK and would greatly appreciate some insight as to what gear I should be going after at this current stage for the coming changes.

Shinjae · 04/22/11, 11:59 AM

Hello, While I am aware that testing is still being conducted in this area, I just wanted to inquire as to whether there was any early indications as to what the stat priorities and preffered presence will be for dual wield in 4.1.

I hate to state the obvious but you might want to check the posted sims directly above your post. Seems like you didn't read through any of the info posted throughout the whole Frost dps section.

I only ask as I have only recently started to raid as a DK and would greatly appreciate some insight as to what gear I should be going after at this current stage for the coming changes.

As stated in posts before you Frost dps BiS gear will not change much if any. Look on the first page. Consider was nice enough to compile a BiS list of all 359s and 372 obviously both pre-heroic and heroic. If you are talking about pre-raid gear then just make sure to follow the stat weights and gear accordingly.

Geppetto · 04/22/11, 12:59 PM

I just managed to race change to Goblin, and switched 3/3 pathing for 3/3 Frenzy and run 2/3 Pathing.
With 10% haste from WF, and the CS glyph I was able to maintain a tight 5 SS rotation still.
I'll do the math soon and report here. It looked to be about a 75~ DPS increase with Frenzy at 6%

NaomiN · 04/22/11, 2:03 PM

A little confused - today I picked up [Ring of the Boy Emperor] - same stats as the listed [Signet of the Fifth Circle] BIS from the op. My question should I pick up [Signet of the Fifth Circle] or the other BIS ring listed, [Planetary Band] (of the Wildfire).

Compare shows advantages to both combos dependent on if the character is hit capped and so forth but I still don't know for sure the Emperor Ring and Signet would be a viable combo or ever have any kind of advantage and thought I'd mention it since [Ring of the Boy Emperor] was not listed as an alternate. Here is the comparison link:

Item Comparison Tool - World of Warcraft

shadostalker · 04/22/11, 2:53 PM

Originally Posted by Antiarc

Consider two things:

1) If you're pre-potting, the early KS gets your first KS in when you still have your Tol'vir buff, as well as any early trinket procs that will otherwise be on ICD ~25 seconds into the fight.

2) PVE isn't about burst, it's about high sustained. As mentioned above, KS before you pop AR lets your increased CP generation during AR work towards reducing your KS cooldown, potentially giving you an extra KSpree for the encounter.

I did do it your way before, but I always felt that it was really tight, and a lucky string of combat potency procs could easily energy cap me during KSpree, since you don't really have time to bleed off excess energy before Bandit's falls.

I've been consistently ranking on WoL, so I feel pretty confident that the way I'm doing it works well. I'm certainly open to improving that, but I did it your way for a while, and was never really happy with it.

I see your point. I myself Have been getting ranked on WoL to. 12th Heroic Magmaw, 22nd heroic chime, 3rd on heroic Nef. Those being my top rankings. I gonna try out your opener for a few weeks see how much higher i can keep my sustain at.

Asharfh · 04/22/11, 7:19 PM

Originally Posted by NaomiN

A little confused - today I picked up [Ring of the Boy Emperor] - same stats as the listed [Signet of the Fifth Circle] BIS from the op. My question should I pick up [Signet of the Fifth Circle] or the other BIS ring listed, [Planetary Band] (of the Wildfire).

Compare shows advantages to both combos dependent on if the character is hit capped and so forth but I still don't know for sure the Emperor Ring and Signet would be a viable combo or ever have any kind of advantage and thought I'd mention it since [Ring of the Boy Emperor] was not listed as an alternate. Here is the comparison link:

Item Comparison Tool - World of Warcraft

You should take a closer look on how BIS lists are made :

ilvl 359 : [Band of Secret Names] and [Signet of the Fifth Circle] (same as [Ring of the Boy Emperor]) seems to be the best (when you can't have heroic gear). The reason why band of secret names is here is because crit is better than mastery for a destruction warlock at this point of gearing.

ilvl 372 (heroic gear) : [Planetary Band] (of the Wildfire) and [Signet of the Fifth Circle] seems to be the best, because [Band of Secret Names] doesn't exists in heroic version (It's bought from the valor vendor). Crit is still better than mastery but there is no haste/crit ring available in 372 gear.

Simply · 04/23/11, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by sp00n

You're hovering around the spell hit cap, so hit is more worth when you're under the cap than above, and the tool does not consider the EP values when you exceed the cap while regemming/reforging. It jus takes the EP values which are the best at your current set up, which of course change when you change your gear as well, especially when you hit a cap.

Ugh, totally forgot that.

Thanks.

VoidStar · 04/23/11, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Asharfh

...Crit is still better than mastery but there is no haste/crit ring available in 372 gear.

There are only two iLevel 372 rings with Intellect and no Spirit: [Signet of the Fifth Circle] and some variants of [Planetary Band].

As you can only wear one [Planetary Band], even if they're of different types, the only choice for 372 BiS is which variant of it to wear in combination with the [Signet of the Fifth Circle]. Contrary to Asharfh's comment, there is a Haste/Crit version, it's the "of the Fireflash" one, however as it's worse than the Hit/Crit "of the Wildfire" one it isn't used in the BiS lists.

On Naomin's question: "viable" is a pretty loose criterion. All of the rings 359 and above with Intellect+No Spirit have either Haste or Hit on them (our two best stats) but none have both. The Hit rating rings are arguably ahead of the ones with Haste, but the differences are fairly minor, especially with reforging: pretty much any pair of Intellect/No Spirit rings will be "viable", and in all honesty probably not that far away from "optimal".

snooze · 04/23/11, 2:14 PM

aloha

just read the Restoration SQA

and found "Nature's Swiftness doesn't work on instants, so you can't use it to add 50% to an instant spell."

is it right? Best spell for the +50% would be for AoE Healing Tranquillity and for single Target HT or Regrowth right?

greetings

lordz23 · 04/23/11, 3:58 PM

Hey everybody,

I pretty much read through each post here, but it did not really answer my questions. First off all, I am an ilvl 355/356 2H Frost, I've had a group of friends keep telling me that DW Frost is gonna be a lot better in the long run. Especially in Heroic 25s. Throughout the thread, I've noticed posts that support 2H and a lot of posts that support DW. If in BiS, would it really be DW?

Also, I asked around with other players, and other forums whether or not it was worth capping expertise to 26. They said while going 2H, it was not worth it. I've been hovering my stats at around 1500-1600 Haste, and 18 Expertise with 8% Hit Cap and the rest str. My mastery is 14.5. Should I reduce my haste? and apply to expertise? During raids, generally you stand behind or close to behind the boss, thus eliminating the parry factor. At 18 Expertise, Dodge is about 2% or 2.25% which I have been told it is a very minimal account and would not contribute to a DPS loss or gain. Just hoping maybe somebody could verify. Thanks.