Disregard, dumb mistake as expected!

Yes thank you very much I just find that DPS dont realize that warriors do need a second to collect aggro. But yes thank you very much for your help.

at times I'm finding myself dropping rip if I'm trying to get a FB in the rotation or SR?
is it worth just shredding at 5 combo points waiting for 3/4 seconds on rip to clip it?
any ideas?

wrong head in 372 gear, i think :P

The answer to your question was in the post you quoted. Yes you can. If you want Chilblains, Icy reach, or On a Pale Horse you would want to drop Improved Frost Presence to get it. The only benefit we are getting from Imp FP is 4% increased runic power generation which isn't very much for 2 points (due to us being in Unholy presence instead of frost). Personally I am going to take Chilblains instead so I don't need to keep a kiting spec on deck for Magmaw, Nefarion, and Conclave. Thus allowing me to have a Blood or PVP spec as my second spec.

Yes this is what I was thinking, since I tank also. TY, I reread it and I still don't see where it says you can drop this. My brain is a bit fried so it's probably me. I do see where it says you have 2 points to play with, but in the spec it still shows Imp Frost Pres in it, not 4 points to play with.

Also, i know it's a IBT, but does IBT over longer Diseases work out to being better?

IBT = Improved Blood Tap

Right there, drop IFP for Chillblains

Will stat priorities or ability priorities be changing as of 4.1? It wouldn't surprise me if hit got a reasonable bumb, and consequently RB falling below slam without the mastery to support it.

I was wondering the same at first until I sat down and thought about it. At this point we simply aren't GCD capped, so the alternative of having longer diseases doesn't really grant you anything. IBT gives you an extra plague strike every minute vs increased disease length.

A simple way to look at it is this...
Increased disease length: you use BT once per minute to refresh BP, normal rune regen is 100% used on OB
IBT: you use BT twice per minute to refresh BP, normal rune regen is still 100% used on OB

The net gain is simply 1 PS every minute. When we get to the point in haste that we do become GCD capped, Epidemic should once again overtake IBT.

Can anyone tell me, why we are using Doom and not Agony, can't find what the different in numbers.
It's interesting for me in case of multitarget, cause doom we can use only on one.

Greetings everyone, I decided to post on this thread because I noticed a few things that holy paladins use on live that nobody has even mentioned here at all, making this thread a bit misleading.

The first thing I noticed is that the best holy paladins prioritize spirit over haste, no matter what. For example, if a piece has mastery/spirit on it (mastery reforged to haste), they will take it over a piece with haste/crit (crit reforged to spirit), that's how much they value spirit over haste. Every single piece they equip has spirit as a main stat, no matter what.

The second thing I noticed is they took the 4-piece over the offset pieces, even if the offset pieces are spirit/haste. I asked myself "why would they do that?" and after analyzing things further I noticed that they spam holy radiance on cooldown, no matter what. They glyph divine favor to last 30 seconds and macro it with holy radiance so that you can get 2 holy radiances in 1 divine favor. They also talent into paragon of virtue to pop avenging wrath with holy radiance when divine favor is down, meaning that most of their holy radiance casts will come with a throughput cooldown on them.

This thread led me to think that our tier-11 was trash, which was not true at all (I don't know now after the 4.1 change) so I just wanted to point that out. Thanks for reading.


Now... I want to mention something else I've noticed from experience. Holy light spamming doesn't really work for me. Maybe my tank is undergeared or maybe my group screws up on mechanics too much but I find myself casting more divine lights than holy lights and my haste is WAY up there. My top heals on our 10m group (other than beacon) are usually divine light, word of glory (another strange thing I've noticed since nobody seems to glyph or talent for word of glory) and holy shock, in that order, which makes me think that I'm doing something wrong because everyone else seems to be doing things differently, yet I always end up with over 20% effective healing more than any other healer I have ever raided with in Cataclysm. I also don't seem to run out of mana ever, even with divine light being my predominant heal. We downed Chogall last night (my group is very casual) and I went into phase 2 with 100% mana and at the top of the charts. Now, maybe things are different in heroic modes, maybe things are different in 25 mans, I don't know as I've never attempted them but really does anyone here do over 30% of their total healing done with holy lights in every fight? I want to hear you guys' experience with holy light. Do you guys really find yourselves casting holy light that often? What about word of glory? Nobody specs for eternal glory and instead spec into pursuit of justice which to me is a complete waste. Why? I just can't figure out why unless their group is 25-man or really good at maximizing their light of down casts. I'm starting to think 10-man raiding is just COMPLETELY different to 25-man raiding.