I apologize if this is redundant, but while this topic has been mentioned I haven't been able to find a concrete answer about it in this thread.

Regarding hit capping as DW frost: since Nerves doesn't affect spell hit, then getting to the 8% "special" cap using this talent will leave us a bit short on spell hit. I have 481 hit rating so this puts me (being draenei) at 8.00% melee hit, and 14.70% spell.

Has somebody actually done the calculations to show that getting to 17% spell hit is not worth it? Being insufficiently knowledgeable (and somewhat too lazy) to attempt the calculations myself, I certainly have no right to "demand" that they be done before claiming such a result. Im just curious.

Rough arguments for why hitting the spell cap might be favorable:
- outbreak can miss (annoying as all hell)
- HB can miss. besides just the missed damage and not refreshing HB, missing will also consume rime if you had it
- the extra hit rating contributes to melee swing hit, and this leads to more KM.

What are your results from simming? Dummy testing is absolutely worthless, and I believe Tehax posted that discussing dummy tests result in infarctions now.

Well I've been looking at the numbers and was wondering the simcraft (I'm not familiar with using it) for a slightly different setup since humans get +3 expertise w/ swords. chardev 8 - WoW Cataclysm is the setup if anyone cares to run it and PM me results or give me some help using it.

Hunter cross class synergy test request: Data from own live testing with (Destruction unfortunately)- spec warlock and Survival Hunter synergy effects post 4.1 are inconclusive at best. Current logs suggest (using stable autoshot range as baseline for comparison, current logs are muddied by actual gear, next edit to correct oversight) some Survival non-physical damage is still displaying a +/- benefit of roughly 9% benefit from parses with the Dark Intent active and stacking due to deliberate multiple target DoTs on 85 raid target dummies, but surprising is that some periodic abilities like Explosive trap remain within standard variations, while Cobra and Arcane shots are displaing the benefit range concurrent with Dark Intent's tooltip despite classification as Direct damage (although Nature and Arcane spell schools respectively) Please assist with enlargement of data pool for solid confirmation or disproof at minimum, also easily apparent was survival hunter's ability to sustain a full stack (on warlock of course) in a multiple target situation with minimal multishot spreading on serpent on as few as 3 target situations. From the perspective of your self-buff dps outcome seekers: great news! Have yet to find someone more experienced for the raidbuff dps outcome of the pairing, given that my current sim tool (Simcraft) only factors the hunter - warlock Dark Intent bond as mutual base haste buffing. Before approaching source of the tool I'd appreciate a larger and more refined data sample than a 10 minute sample in actual gearing levels of a mid to low progression guild. Sadly, my server is almost totally dead theorycraft wise with notable exception of protection paladin named Vexryn, but of little use for testing this situation.

Summary of Post: kindly link or email logs of Survival Hunter- Warlock live data in variable situation, no raidbuffs or consumables please in current sample. (kemanorel2358@gmail.com is my data dump email)

I know both classes can potentially benefit much from the continued effects in some situations that lack reliable fire mages, balance druids, and shadow priests, so in large part this test sample's audience is 10 man raiding, although last check showed post 4.1 survival #1 ranking on world of logs to clearly show tendency toward viable interaction between Dark Intent stacks and damage output graph.

Also, any experienced with Worldoflogs.com and their expression editor, feel free to pass along your analysis skills regarding stacks of the secondary effect and the resulting benefit.