Would a DPS loss from talents and getting the same amount of haste as MM increase DPS for the normal rotation. I can get a 1.25 second cast if I do a rotation of ExpS>Steadyx2>Cobra>arcane/BA/ExpTrap>ExpS. The only problem is I have to spec one point out of OwN and 2 points out of CA. The increase haste allows more auto shots, 2 steadies instead of 1 cobra, and more arcane shots.I also use glyph of steady,arcane, and explosive as the prime.

EDIT: I can't get the control test to work because I have to much haste gear after 1.66 cast instead of Crit/Mast so my testing didnt work.

Hello all. I have a T11 geared arcane mage and I'm thinking of using Fire during the upcoming raid to Bastion of Twilight but I need some insight into the rotation I should use. Before I make this a permanent spec to use in the future and do my regemming I want to test out the rotation first in some heroic dungeons. Any help would be greatly appreiated.

Thank you for posting this, much apperciated. <3

Sry for my maybe stupid question, but, I`m a little bit confused actually.

I`m tanking with my bear since start of BC and I love ist, so im taking pretty
much care of it and already read all the posts here, including feral cat threads.

But ... I`m a bit confused ...

We receive AP, Crit and Dodge through our Agility stat, and thats why I preferred
Agi Neck/Back/Rings actually

But in more and more BIS-Lists I find "real" Tank jewelery with Str/Stam because
of their dodge/mastery. The items with agility mostly have hit or speed as 2nd stat
and only mastery OR dodge on it, thats why I`m actually reforging hit/speed to dodge.

Does it seriously make sense to switch to full def items for neck/back/fingers although
you receive strength instead of agility.

For example if I take the Signet of the Elder Council: Signet of the Elder Council - Game - World of Warcraft

I get,
190 agi -> 2AP per Agility -> 380AP in bear and ~0.782% dodge through agi
127 haste
127 mastery ~0.71%

Ok, haste is kinda worthless, but can be reforged into dodge,hit whatever ...

If I take one of the "listed BIS" deftank-item that also "counts for feral bear since 4.1"
like Ring of the Battle Anthem that shall be replaced later by Caelestrasz's Will now I
get the following:
Ring of the Battle Anthem - Item - World of Warcraft

I get,
190 Str -> 2AP per Strength -> 380AP in bear and ~0.0% dodge
127 dodge ~0.72%
127 mastery ~0.71%

Finally I end up with nearly same stats, BUT, I have the benefit to be able to reforge
some haste on Signet of the Elder Council into dodge/hit/mastery and end up with a little
more benefit compared to the Ring of the Battle Anthem due to reforge and crit by agi?!

So wtf?

Why are newadays a lot of guides and homepages mentioning that the def-tank items are also
better for bear now instead of the agi counterparts?

Ok, Caelestrasz's Will is the highest level item, ich would wear it too, but as long I don`t
have it, it doesnt make sense to switch to strength right?

Or am I misunderstanding something that changed with 4.1?

Thanks a lot.

Regards

neithî

I would suggest reading from here: Cataclysm Fire Mage Compendium to the Talents and Glyphs section. Reforging is going to be very different from how you're likely to already be reforged for Arcane.

The general idea is spam Fireball (or Frost-fire Bolt), hit your Hostreak Pyroblast! when it's up. And keep Living Bomb up as much as possible. You can scorch while moving to not drop too much DPS during that time. Also, pretty much Flame Orb on CD. The biggest part is timing combustion, so pay attention to that section of the above reading.

Beyond that it comes down to just being familiar with the Ins and Outs of it all and some mana management.

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Chris the way i see it your question really is:

180 Good stat + 180 Good stat vs. 180 good stat + 180 bad stat.

With reforging and assuming any ret pally worth his salt is capped, I see (hit = exp = mastery ~ crit)>haste. Possibly the only exception is expertise because with GoSoT and HoR and Akirus avoiding wasting expertise is kinda tough (even though the little extra can be useful on fights like magmaw, maloriak, nefs pillar adds, etc etc).

So unless you would be significantly over hit cap even after reforging all of your hit, take the crit hit combo.

As SMF , should we keep spamming Execute if we got the rage for it ? Or should we just go whit the 25% and then go back to rotation?

I think it's not so easy. You can't say: 2 good stats vs. 1 good stat and 1 bad stat.

(Btw: Exp is one of the worst stats on gear. Of course you need the cap, but almost every ret has got too much of it.)

Back to topic: My spreadsheet shows me, that mastery is 7 points better than crit and crit is 7 points better than haste (of course for my actual gear). So haste is not too bad. The hit-rating I can get everywhere via reforging (in best case: haste/exp --> hit). But maybe the mastery-rating on these items makes them a bit better.

(If my English isn't perfect: Sorry, it's not my native language.)

I've seen it mentionned a few times in the fury thread. Get 5 stacks, then resume your normal rotation.