Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1764

Panthros · 05/27/11, 7:37 AM

Originally Posted by mohammadalariqi

Hi all, I am a new one here, and I really need to ask this question:
DS is supposed to heal with offhand wih ToT in CATA, but I need to know whether it is supposed to heal on WotLK?
For example, assume that you have two diseases on target, and you speeced ToT and you are a DW DK:
Now when trigerring DS, you land two hits on target, which means 10% health restored via main hand + 10% health restored via offhand, totalling 20% health restored everytime you use DS (assuming it hits, and not blocked)

AM I RIGHT?

Descrpition of the hability says that you duplicate damage, not the strike, meaning that you are not duplicating its healing effects.

Zeozordon · 05/27/11, 7:49 AM

Hi

First time posting on the forums but I have a question on the BiS gear you have listed here...is it out of date? because if I go and calculate the hit you wil only get 1543 thats 15.06% am I missing something here? Is in not set in stone that our hit cap should be 17%? if so then these gear you have put here can not be BiS. If I am mistaken please I am sorry but I need to know if I should get my own BiS setup or is yours correct.

Edit: Sorry just saw that you have a HC of the one trinket and wand I have added it into calculation and now get 1697 Hit rating 16.59% so is this acceptable?

mohammadalariqi · 05/27/11, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Panthros

Descrpition of the hability says that you duplicate damage, not the strike, meaning that you are not duplicating its healing effects.

1 - So you are saying it does not heal on CATA?
2 -I need confirmation form retail players who played oth WotLK and CATA, regardless of description?

Pease help on it.

Thekracka · 05/27/11, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by mohammadalariqi

1 - So you are saying it does not heal on CATA?
2 -I need confirmation form retail players who played oth WotLK and CATA, regardless of description?

Pease help on it.

Death Strike healing is affected by either your incoming damage, by the glyph of dark succor, or by the talent Improved Death Strike. Dual wielding will not give you an extra heal just because you have 2 weapons instead of one, the ToT talent affects damage output not the healing effect of Death Strike.

Panthros · 05/27/11, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by mohammadalariqi

1 - So you are saying it does not heal on CATA?
2 -I need confirmation form retail players who played oth WotLK and CATA, regardless of description?

Pease help on it.

I can't actually go ingame right now and try if regardlees of description if it doble heals in Cata, but the thing is I've never seen any dw frost pvper saying he or she can be practically topped off with this and Glyph of Dark S. because of the double healing.
The atribute was exactly the same in WotLK, and never duplicated its healing, in LK Death Strike always healed a 5% of your health plus 5% for each disease if you were not a Blood DK with Improved Death Strike.

-Tzo- · 05/27/11, 11:03 AM

With the new PTR notes I have found (but I have terrible math skills) that bears with an avg ilvl 359 and below are actually slightly buffed by these co-efficient changes. Can anyone confirm at what avg ilvl these changes act as a 'nerf'?

ntlntl · 05/27/11, 12:32 PM

can someone makes conclusion for 359 gears.

Crit -> hit -> mastery for TG
Crit -> hit -> Haste for SMF

And what hit % should I aim for? around 12%? or as many as possible like wolk?

Leokhan · 05/27/11, 12:51 PM

I played both on V+T and did better with arcane, much easier then fire, because as arcane you don't need to watch your dots on the dragons (so yes, both of them get LB). It depends on our setup, but lately our warlock is in every raid.
For combustion: I did the first combustion after the first blackout, because we pop heroism after it, and usually most proccs and prepot is up. The second on engulfing magic, because of the doubled dmg, but I don't know if it's mathimatically right to do so.

Tips and Tricks:

If you get caught in Rohash's Windblast, you can easily blink back.

Orikfricai · 05/27/11, 2:57 PM

Originally Posted by ntlntl

can someone makes conclusion for 359 gears.

Crit -> hit -> mastery for TG
Crit -> hit -> Haste for SMF

And what hit % should I aim for? around 12%? or as many as possible like wolk?

Actually, I believe with the 40% buff to auto-attack damage, Haste even outweighs Mastery for TG.

Shambells · 05/27/11, 3:24 PM

Inc FN changes from PTR :

Shaman
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Fire Nova damage has been increased by 15%.

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Talent Specializations•
Elemental•
Call of Flame now also causes Fire Nova to add 3/6 seconds to the duration of Flame Shock auras on targets that Fire Nova damages.

Maybe now ele won't be on the bottom of the AOE pile. As much.

mohammadalariqi · 05/27/11, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by Panthros

I can't actually go ingame right now and try if regardlees of description if it doble heals in Cata, but the thing is I've never seen any dw frost pvper saying he or she can be practically topped off with this and Glyph of Dark S. because of the double healing.
The atribute was exactly the same in WotLK, and never duplicated its healing, in LK Death Strike always healed a 5% of your health plus 5% for each disease if you were not a Blood DK with Improved Death Strike.

Thanks for reply, but as I said, I need confirmation from retail players who played both LK and CATA, and who can confirm it, regardless of assumptions, tooltips or any other thing.
and for your information, it heals on CATA:
Death Strike Off-Hand - Spell - World of Warcraft

mohammadalariqi · 05/28/11, 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by mohammadalariqi

Thanks for reply, but as I said, I need confirmation from retail players who played both LK and CATA, and who can confirm it, regardless of assumptions, tooltips or any other thing.
and for your information, it heals on CATA:
Death Strike Off-Hand - Spell - World of Warcraft

Well, I am not sure, is WoWhead wrong ?

7alisman · 05/28/11, 3:47 AM

Random WoL Parse from DW Frost who used DS

Disclaimer: Spec used in the parse is glyphed for DS although I don't think that changes the overall conclusion.

Check the link, click on "Healing By Spell" and you'll note one Death Strike, and one Death Strike Heal and absolutly no mention of an off-hand Death Strike Heal.

Case Closed?

DarkkPhenixx · 05/28/11, 3:50 AM

Hello Guys,

I'm really happy to join this great community and I thank for your incredible guide concerning affliction warlocks.

I have 2 questions for you :

First, I read the spell rotation you mentioned in this guide. So if I understood well, the best rotation is Shadow Bolt -> Haunt -> Bane of Doom -> Corruption -> Unstable Affliction -> Shadow Bolt/Drain Life Filler AND THEN continue with spell priorities : Haunt ; Demon Soul ; Bane of Doom ect… Am I right ?

I imagine that this is when fighting against a boss with a lot of HP so my question is, Could you please give me the best rotation for simple trashes or simple mobs when questing ? Something to finish them quickly when they don't have so much HP.
In the same way, when I need to AoE with these kinds of mobs, is a simple Rain of Fire as efficient ? Should I use what you've mentioned in your guide even for little mobs ?

Second, concerning the equipment. I have a PVP gear but I really want to specialize in PVE now. Could you please look at my equipment http://eu.battle.net/wow/fr/characte.../xemuth/simple and tell how I should convert it step by step ? Could you do me the favor to indicate me a little PVE Converting Plan mentioning which equipment I should find out, in quests, dungeons and then raids (or even maybe by crafting…).

I would be very grateful to you if you could help me in that sense.

Thank you

DarkkPhenixx

Lychnuchus · 05/28/11, 4:44 AM

HI @ all, this is my first post on EJ and I hope I don't mess up stuff.
Been watching this thread for a few months now and it really helped me get into Cataclysm Ret Pally playing.
Me and my guild now start raiding 25 heroic and I'm not rly sure how to decide on 2 specific item slots.

I currently run with 2pc T11 (legs and gloves), as well as Elementium Deathplate, heroic Pauldrons of the Great Ettin
and the engineering googles Reinforced Bio-Optic Killshades with crit and mastery cogwheel. Now I know the shoulders are pretty much BiS, so it's all up to the head and chest.
I want to go 4pc bonus. But it seems I'm changing alot of useful stats for less useful ones,
so I wanted to know if the 4pc bonus makes up for the loss of alot of crit and mastery.

As for now the head and chest give me a total of:
375 (head with gems) + 361 (chest with gem) = 736 strenght
228 (chest) + 208 (head) = 436 crit
208 (chest) + 208 (head) = 416 mastery

New stats would look something like:
385 (T11 helmet with gems + socket bonus) + 361 (T11 chest + gems + bonus) = 746 strenght
228 (T11 chest) = 228 crit
188 (T11 chest) + 228 (T11 helmet) = 416 haste
20 (T11 helmet skillful ember topaz for socket bonus) = 20 mastery
168 (T11 helmet) = 168 expertise
20 (T11 chest etched demonseye for socket bonus) = 20 hit

Now does the 4pc T11 bonus really make up for the loss of about 208 crit and 396 mastery in exchange for some rather bad stats like 416 haste?

I hope I didn't make any big mistakes writing down the numbers but I feel very comfortable with my crit and mastery right now. I just don't want to make any wrong decisions when it comes down to rolling on t11 token.
If the 4pc bonus is really better then I would, of course, change items asap.