That would make sense in that it's a potential PvP nerf, especially when you consider they "offset" the loss with a buff to wild quiver. The buff to wild quiver would have a greater impact over the duration of a longer fight, where in PvP, most encounters are short-lived. It's still in PTR so they may adjust the value even more to offset the deficit, as in the one example given by a Karakkonor, a 4% dps loss in the first 20% of the fight. However, the buff to wild quiver could easily mean an overall dps gain as the fight continues. Yes, the hunter has to make up the 4% loss from the first 1/5th of the encounter, but how soon will they make up that loss?

the discussion does not pertain to the magnitute of a certain choice, be it huge or tiny difference, but to the fact of one choice being better even by the tiniest margin, given current BiS available gear. Certainly BiS cloak is from Al Akir due to crit and hit being better than crit haste from council, certainly BiS ring is sinestra one and conclaive one since the one from conclaive has hit crit vs. the one from Valiona expertise and haste. However, in ALL these options, Strength is equal between the different options and hence the choice is decided through the secondary stats on each item.

On the case of Tank Neck from Sinestra vs Al Akir Neck with crit hit and Molten Tantrum vs Massacre Treads Boots However, the most important deciding factor for each option is the Strength of each item since Strength is inarguably our BEST and non-sacrificeable stat (hence my comment about gemming 40 str vs gemming 20 str + 20 hit, loosing 10 strength in most cases.)

Therefore, sinestra Neck is in my opinion a clear winner since it provides about + 60 more effective Strength (after all multipliers) than the 372 dps necks, and it has Mastery as one of the 2 secondaries which is what makes it a valid choice in the 1st place. If it were to have dodge and parry lets say, it would probably not be preferable, even though it would still provide the tons more strength. Same is the case with the tank boots vs the DPS boots, with the Molten tantrum having a tank stat and mastery which benefits us....but providing a +24 or so effective strength.

I dont think its accurate to vs the SEP value of the secondary lost for the gain of strength, mostly for the reason that strength isnt obtainable from sources other than the gear themselves or the gems. Hence even if you loose a bit of mastery from not using the Massacre treads, the reforged dodge to crit is about equal to the expertise that would be reforged to crit from the other boots.

Same as in Sinestra Neck. You gain 60 odd strength and some mastery (the mastery gained from refoging alakir hit to mastery would be less than the mastery in sinestra neck) vs the alakir neck and loose a bit of crit and all the hit in it, which due to all other items with Hit on them, is not really needed if I recall my chardev stats in BiS gear.

So I find it difficult to be sold on the idea that the tank boots and tank necklace arent better than their dps alternatives.

in all honesty, SCREW Blizzard for this rediculous stat allocation in some "tank" items, making our lives and choices more difficult!!!!

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Im also wondering the same KaSzaQ