Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1787

VoroX · 07/01/11, 7:06 AM

Would it be an upgrade in terms of dps to go from a 372 two hand to 378 Mainhand and 359 Offhand Weapons to DW frost?

Also does 2H or 2x1H Frost deal more aoe damage, or do they put out the same dps?

Also [Essence of the Eternal Flame]should be a really good item for frost, as you can time it with pillar + synapse springs etc?

Larron · 07/01/11, 7:30 AM

Do you guys stick to the t11-4piece "rotation" or do you go back to refreshing dots when you get into an eclipse?

I find the t11-4piece being shit now since the nerf, and I'm even considering to just drop it for some 372 pieces with spi-haste and/or spi-mastery. Did some testing and I nearly never got any crits of in the start of an eclipse anyways. 2 out of 3 times I ended up with 2 stacks of the buff running out due to no crits. This was done on dummys though, so had no additional crit from somewhere else.

So, did you guys stick to the 4piece or did you drop it? If you sticked to it, did you change to GoW? Because that was something I found a bit wierd aswell, having to refresh moonfire/sunfire just before an eclipse in addition to IS. Makes me think if its actually worth refreshing dots outside an eclipse just to have a chance to get 1 or 2 crits, instead of just refreshing inside and get full uptime on eclipsed dots?

jileen · 07/01/11, 7:52 AM

LS is a little different than 4.1.
In 4.1 ,you can cast MF then move to keep 3 LS.
But LS can't keep by move now.The only to keep it is cast MF.
When you put 3 WM while running, Your LS will disappear.

spreizi · 07/01/11, 8:24 AM

Originally Posted by VoroX

Also [Essence of the Eternal Flame]should be a really good item for frost, as you can time it with pillar + synapse springs etc?

there is no heroic version of this item!

Earthshock · 07/01/11, 9:11 AM

Hey all cant write new thread now ,so i write it here
I Wanna ask what the max Dps for enhancement shaman at level 70..and who can i get that Dps ..

naliel · 07/01/11, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by VoroX

Also [Essence of the Eternal Flame]should be a really good item for frost, as you can time it with pillar + synapse springs etc?

Synapse springs is considered as a use trinket, that means it is on cooldown as long as an usetrinket is activated.

quki · 07/01/11, 11:19 AM

Is Mastery capped at 14,66? The tooltip says the spelldmg will increase up to 22% with 1.5% each point Mastery. So i thought at 14,66(4.1 @ 16) is Mastery capped. But i've never read about Mastery cap. So.. is it depend to the % of actual Mana or what?

greetz

kyndercyn · 07/01/11, 11:52 AM

Please hurry with Tier 12 BIS so i dont roll on a piece better suited for another

Kizlyar · 07/01/11, 1:00 PM

Originally Posted by nekronchik

This maybe a stupid question, but how does the stat priority change when u don't have BiS T12 gear? I have full BiS T11 gear and a few pieces of gear from Firelands, so I am really not sure what stat values to use with my gear. The 2 big questions are: Are the values of haste and mastery the same, and are the values of crit and expertise the same?

This information would be quite useful; I don't personally have a full combat set, but it's clear that combat is the spec to use on a few fights, but most notably Majordomo Staghelm. If the different between mastery/haste for assassination is very close, though perhaps slightly in favor of mastery, it might be worth going the haste route so one can switch to combat for a particular fight or two and not lose as much dps by having drastic amounts more of mastery than haste.

Gerzhuster · 07/01/11, 6:20 PM

Once 2pc and 4pc sets of t12 are obtainable will mastery have a larger stat weight for Destro? Obviously the haste caps would be more important (30%) but if you have that and the Fiery Imps from 2pc deal fire damage and the +20% fire damage proc from 4pc scale with mastery I can see it being a stronger stat. I have no way of testing this at the moment.

awa64 · 07/01/11, 7:13 PM

So, with the nerf to Glyph of Soul Swap, is it still worth taking? Or would I be better-served with a utility glyph like Glyph of Fear or Glyph of Shadowflame, and being able to use Glyph of Soul Swap for emergency stop-DPS-on-target?

b1ackcat · 07/01/11, 8:39 PM

I'm curious if anyone has crunched the numbers to see if the LS changes make mastery more valuable. More time in eclipse means more mastery is better, right?

I currently have an issue choosing between what should be an obvious thing:

Soul Casket (new trinket for justice badges) or Talisman of Sinister Order

Sorry, I don't know how to link items.
Soul casket is 321 mastery rating and 1926/20 sec every two minute on-use
Talisman of Sinister Order is 234 int with a proc of 918 mastery on spellcast

The talisman is ilvl 325, which I know is really low, but I never got the Witching Hourglass.

Should I just return the soul casket while I still can and go for the witching hourglass? It looks like it'd be a superior trinket, despite the ilvl. Or is mastery now worth it?

FlyingDonkey · 07/01/11, 9:46 PM

I believe that the trinket charts are flawed.

Quick maths, Heart of ignacious vs Witching hourglass :

Heart of ignacious : 321 * 5 = 1605 haste , 16.7% uptime (20s/120s), thus 267.5 haste giving +1259 DPS
Witching hourglass : 1710 haste for 15s => +355 DPS, it means the ICD should be : [1710*15] * 1259/267.5 /355 = 340s, 5min 40s... ?!
I believe the ICD is 75s, even with a ICD of 120 and with +/- 15s proc time (10% proc), 5min40s sounds totally unreasonable.

Now the main objection to this, is that an "on use" trinket will get more benefits that a automatic one, given that you can use it at the best moment to maximize its effect.

Quick maths, Heart of ignacious vs Figurine - Jeweled Serpent

Heart of ignacious : 1605 haste * 20s / 120s = 267.5 haste giving +1259DPS which means 1 haste = +4.71 DPS (wtf!)
Figurine - Jeweled Serpent : 1425 SP * 20s / 120s = 237.5 SP giving +851DPS which means 1 SP = +3.58 DPS

Haste > SP ?? No way.

Maybe the chart for heart of ignacious includes the SP stacked ? I 'm not sure, I just know that the charts as they are now are flawed.

Elge · 07/01/11, 10:37 PM

It is possible that the items available at the heroic gear NPC are sort of gated, to avoid confusion or whatever. Right now, I only have 21 items available to me: the trash BoEs and the cheaper VP rewards. It seems likely that next lookout, when people are actually able to aquire the needed VP, additional rewards will get unlocked.

Validuz · 07/01/11, 10:44 PM

What's the point of a simulator if it doesn't simulate what's possible?