I am curious about the following:

Assuming we are talking about Meta/Ruin spec, when at the decimation range of <35% hp on target.

I lately have this sneaking feeling that the best rotation there is actually pure SB SF SB SF without tapping and refreshing any dots (except for CoD when TTL>60) and especially without using Life Tap (glyphed, however without T7.4p). Is there any simulation or data that compares the two following scenarios:


Assumption - Target under 35% HP, no need to Life Tap for mana (let's assume unlimited mana), Time to Live - 160 seconds, Glyph of Life Tap present, but no T7 4-pieces bonus.

Scenario 1: only SB SF 1:1 decimation rotation with an exception of recasting Curse of Doom when needed. When TTL<60 CoA not used after CoD runs out. No Life Tapping.

Scenario 2: 1:1 decimation rotation while refreshing CoD (or CoA if TTL<60) and Immolate. Life Tap is used each ~20 seconds to keep up the spellpower buff.


Which scenario yields optimal DPS?

I just rolled DK and would like to tank ulduar with good threat and good survability:

I was thinking about somthing like this specc:
IT-PS-HS-HS - OB-OB-OB
FS when killing machine procs and a !RS macro with OB

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...0&version=9757

opinions plox

Thx a lot for the fast reply,

And i forgot about the lvl 20 max on trial accounts, so thx for pointing that out to me. But now I fully understand what I need to do, to get the max out of RaF!

I'm going to try this out tomorrow when I get back from work, if I find anything that could be useful to other starters, I'll post it here too.

Thx again,

Ciao

So far i've been mostly gemming for pure stamina, and i'm wondering how far i should take it. If there is, say, a 9 stamina bonus and a red socket. Should i do dodge/stam or pure stamina? My dodge has been suffering some lately, but i'm not really sure if its a negative thing, since my stamina has skyrocketed (I've got around 36,5k hp unbuffed as blood in my normal tanking gear).

You could at least read some of the thread, but the Frost rotation (which has been discussed on this page alone a few times) is IT BS OB OB, you also don't have HS as Frost so I assume you mean BS.

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I have exactly same spec, but with 1 point in magic attunement spent into arc barrage. i tend to use that spec on mimiron, ignis, FL turrets, so the range is not a problem

Hey guys.


I was wondering which rotation that is the best right now. I would be really glad if u could help me out.



Kind regards Ktyz!

I am going to be testing to see if there is a Dmg increase with 20 spell pen gem on the dummy tonight (would have done it last night but my battle group went down)

I seem to remember that spell pen got the same treatment as armor pen only you need less of it.

I am currently at work and will not be able to test till I get home. Has this been tested at all or is it a waste of time.

seems to in my mind that it would lower restances. thus increasing poison application.

It won't do anything, since the training dummies (nor pretty much all bosses, few exceptions in BC) don't have any resistances to be lowered by spellpen. Spellpen is a pvp stat.

Until players are able to perform their functions as precisely and accurately as the spreadsheets assume, and fights are as ideal as the spreadsheets assume, any conclusion drawn from said spreadsheets needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Especially if the discrepancy between the two is fairly minimal - which is currently the case. The two specs have different play styles, and players have different sets of strengths and weaknesses. So while the spreadsheet may say Player X would get a 50 DPS increase by doing Combat, he may in reality get better production from Mutilate because it suits his play style or skill set better.

Long story short, arguing that spreadsheets simulate Spec X as being better than Spec Z seems a bit silly. No one executes things as well as the spreadsheet models. If the difference between the two specs is minimal, go with what feels the most natural to you or what you feel gives YOU the best personal results. This may mean you always play Combat, or that you always play Mutilate - or that you rotate based on the fight. The long and short of it is that the spreadsheet shouldn't be your sole determining factor as what's best. What's best for Aldrianna, for example, may not be best for me. And vice versa.

These spreadsheets are extremely helpful, but they're not the determining factor in what's best. Only your performance can determine that.

True, it is a pvp atat. Thats why i ask have seen a bunch of resists to envenom and poisons some almost up to 30% from Uldar bosses. Wish i had a parse but had to reload my System.

Bosses have 24 (8 per level difference) resistance against all spellschools that can't be reduced by spell penetration which is the reason for partial resists. There are very few bosses that have 'real' resistance though - Supremus has a lot of fire resistance for example - but as far as i know none of the Ulduar bosses do.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Thanks, thats what i was forgeting the can't be reduced part. going to try it today anyways for giggles its alts naxx day.

IF i come up with anything suprising i'll post

Personally I run 2 specs and abuse dual speccing.

I run 0:40:31 as my primary and I know a lot of people don't think conflagrate is worth it anymore but I still firmly believe it is, and in many ulduar fights I find it to be far better than 0:41:30. The difference between FG and Conflag is while they are close the conflage spec does more DPS for the lock versus the pet, so fights like hodir and vezax are superior as 0:40:31, I also prefer it for trash, I also love seeing big numbers, with my current gear 17k conflag crits are not uncommon at all, neither are 22k soulfire crits, and on hodir I have actually seen an 87k soulfire crit. Its just fun to see those big numbers.

I also run deep afflic as my alt spec, and fights like Ignis and most notably Yogg-saron where there are forced breaks in casting I find affliction to be much better. On our first yogg kill I managed 6.4kdps and I was doing CoE the whole time.


In 3.1.2 though Im going to replace my hybrid spec with deep destro as the numbers Ive run on that have simply been better with the changes. WE are raiding tonight and I will be 0:13:58 and let everyone know how that goes.

Thank you so much for your analysis Salty. This kind of data is extremely useful to me as I don't have excel so have to run the spreadsheet in OO, thus not being able to do these sort of calcs myself. Awesome.

EDIT: loling at my own sig, it's a bit old... :P

[Illustration of the Dragon Soul] / [Scale of Fates] / [Eye of the Broodmother] Which of the two should I combine? At [Flare of the Heavens] I'm not gonna have a shot I think in the foreseeable future.
And when I will, which one should I exchange?

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Can someone tell me if I created a good afflok spec here or if im a flipping moron? (im leveling on a pvp server still have the pts in life tap atm so this isnt for duels but pve dmg and able to fight off the random horde)
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

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Hi, I'm new to these forums so I apologize if this is in the wrong place, thread, or anything of that liking. Could a moderator please move it to the correct place if it is in fact in the wrong thread? Thanks.

I realized I wasn't the only Paladin on my server (in fact, Paladin's the most-rolled class) and got tired of being just like everyone else. I also noticed Death Knights always use two handed weapons. So, in an attempt to be different, I made a Death Knight and was really looking into dual wielding. However, after I did my homework (10 levels later) I realized it wouldn't really work out too well. So, I looked into other options and decided to try Shaman since I've never seen an enhancement shaman in a raid and I've rarely seen elemental. I've been leveling with just enough points in Enhancement for Shamanistic Focus while putting everything else in Elemental, and I'm probably going to go pure Enhancement at 30, but I definitely will go Enhancement at 40. My shaman will be 80 within 3-4 weeks.

Looking at the talents and spells available to learn, both Enhancement and Elemental seem like they'd be amazing for DPS. With the explanations out of the way, my (simple) questions are: is it worth it to take a melee-DPS position as Enhancement for the raid buffs (and personal DPS)? Which will do better with pre-raid gear? Which is more difficult to gear? Which has more potential as gear improves?

Thank you, and I apologize for the length of my post.

edit: Sorry, one more question. What distinguishes a good Elemental Shaman from a bad one? "" Enhancement?

You're missing points in grim reach / Improved Fear / Improved Howl of Terror / Soul Link. Basically what you just posted was a VERY slightly modified pve spec.

Try something like this: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Which would be a better OH Kinetic Ripper or Webbed Death?

i am 15/51/5 combat spec....and my MH is Calamity's Grasp.

I have Remorse, but i am still waiting for Malice to drop to go sword spec.

http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t37183-p...updated_3_1_a/
First post; did you read it?

Alternatively, "check a spreadsheet."

I did check a spreadsheet, and one gives me very close figures. The other does not work...personally i like second opinions. It was a simple question...in a thread that said simple questions, simple answers.

I guess i was just looking for a more in depth answer.