Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1793

jondolar · 07/06/11, 2:10 AM

I've been looking around and haven't seen any BiS for 4.2 lists.
Apologies if that info is elsewhere but this seemed like a reasonable place

georgimartov · 07/06/11, 2:23 AM

Guys, isnt the Tier 12 again consider as a must for the 4-set bonus? Because if it is, then the offpiece must be head since its the only tier piece without crit as well as hands, but hands stats are better

Ktaz · 07/06/11, 8:31 AM

Can someone help me please , i got a dk frost n unholy and i just can't make him put decent dps , i've been in cata dungeons and it shows that i only put 4000 dps ( frost) i imagine unholy is even less, i really need help, i wanna be proud of me DK ,not embarased when people talk bout him, i really don't know what to do ..i know how to push the buttons but got no clue how to set it so it makes decent dps

Logicbytes · 07/06/11, 11:45 AM

Forgive me for sounding like such a nub, but after trying to read this as carefully as I could, my HPS or HPM (Whatever recount is showing) indicates my heals on average went up 3-4k more than what I originally was doing (thought I knew it all at the time). I currently only have 1950 spirit whereas before i felt having at least 2500 was necessary (boy was I wrong) to keep up in and raid. I will continue reading and trying different things accord to this excel doc you have attached. TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY TY a million times!

Logicbytes · 07/06/11, 11:51 AM

I just dont understand how a fellow druid i know who has better gear and his haste is @ 2009 get's out healed by me and i have 1192 haste. I'm no pro at this stuff, but based on what I've seen now in multiple raids with druids better than I (at least in 10 man so far), I do better than they do whether I am tank healing or raid healing. Can someone help me understand this?

Originally Posted by Greentouch

I absolutely knew people would ask about that, because it totally looks tempting! So yes I discussed it in my initial trinket discussion at: http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t124011-...s/#post1954571

My conclusion, was even if you spec 3/3 genesis for longer dots, and only miss 1 in 4, you still need to waste 5 gcd's per 100 second period. Which really just isn't even worth the time for just a 3% odd mastery buff. Now if you have the trinket because you are moonkin main spec, and don't have a better resto trinket(I haven't mathed it, but t11 resto trinkets are probably better if you count the worth of the proc, though that is a healthy INT boost over them), sure use it because its a lot of INT.

But it isn't worth it to keep up the mastery portion, unless you have a second you aren't casting anyway.

NOTE: I know its totally new as of this weekend so hopefully we won't get in trouble, but this really belongs in the resto gear discussion thread.

@Silkworm, yes we've discussed that, 2005 is certainly worth somewhat less in 10 mans, however 2 things, first off with the prevalence of haste gear in FL, I doubt you CAN reforge all the way down to 916, which means you are wasting item points hanging out in between.

And second, WG/Efflo are still a lot of your healing, and while the haste to your direct heals isn't worth it by itself, it certainly is nice as well, and certainly noticeable going from 916-2005, so it helps your spot heals come out a bit faster, and your hots tick a bit faster on the tank etc.

Baricade54 · 07/06/11, 12:11 PM

Shouldn't [Cinch of the Flaming Ember] be reforged as following:
Crit to Mastery?
I know the hit isn't needed, but crit isn't either, and since it has more crit on it, it will also give you more Mastery/haste.

Looking forward to your opinion!

Jarhead88 · 07/06/11, 3:02 PM

Umm.....WoW isn't some sort of sophisticated rocket science, like you have put it here. Use language i can understand please! D:

Jarhead88 · 07/06/11, 3:09 PM

What exactly do you DO in the conservation phase?

Bbasher · 07/06/11, 3:41 PM

curious as to the T12 4pc as well. Whether the weapon damage being used as fire damage is actually a good 4pc over say grabbing the 2pc and then using offset pieces instead. Mainly with the Spreadsheet landsoul posted it shows offset pieces being better than Tier stats wise, but whether that will out weigh the benefit of 4pc is still unknown as no one has it at this time. If anyone has a possible theory behind this, whether 4pc is worth getting or if offset pieces are better to grab, please enlighten me as I am contemplating the purchase of tier and I would rather someone who may have a possible thought on the matter say so now before I waste the VPs on something I would most likely want an offset piece for.

Bollik · 07/06/11, 5:22 PM

Excellent reply. Thankyou very much.

Seramore · 07/06/11, 5:29 PM

What's the verdict with Booming Voice and the T12 2 Piece? From what I've gathered there hasn't been a definitive answer yet.

As what was stated a few pages back, I think that one point in Booming Voice would end up being the best. If we put two points into the Booming Voice talent, we'd be making use of two GCD's after using Battle Shout and Colossus Smash, whereas if we used one point, we'd be making full use of the Colossus Smash debuff, plus two GCDs once the debuff is gone. We're also going to be using Battle Shout more strategically compared to before, where we'd mostly be using it whenever it pops up with a spare GCD available. Because of that, I don't think the increased 15 seconds on the cooldown will be that much of a difference. But.. that's just my opinion.

What are your guys thoughts?

brian1020 · 07/06/11, 6:36 PM

Originally Posted by Zain

Because agility no longer adds dodge in any way, and only adds crit, and because crit is the worst current threat stat, I'd treat agility as a dead stat with a value of Zero, like Int or Spirit

Thank you sir, my feelings exactly.

Morphiious · 07/06/11, 6:51 PM

well the one consideration is from what I've seen haste pulls slightly ahead of mastery once you break T 11 4pc

Ronburgundy · 07/06/11, 7:33 PM

Originally Posted by Raa

I grabbed the Apparatus of Khaz'goroth last night, was curious to test it myself. It didn't seem to be a problem to stack it to 5 every 2 minutes. the initial 5 stacks came up when Rageface was at 50%. We kill rageface first, then burn Shannox to 40% then kill Riplimb then Shannox. Soon as I had 5 stacks I popped trinket then unholy frenzy and garg. There's no denying that the proc is amazing. It can be tricky to keep your stacks up on certain fights, but I can see this trinket being amazing on most fights. Especially with a rogue or hunter in the group giving you that extra 5% to crit.

i have been using it too as an UH DK and i ranked #38 in world of logs with it on Shannox my 1st time using it. it only took me approx 2 mins to build it to 5 stacks, then i unleashed it with UH frenzy and Garg then it was GG. so far im pretty happy with this trinket. i use it in conjunction with the Heroic Heart of rage and im really happy with my DpS.

Blueobelisk · 07/06/11, 8:48 PM

Originally Posted by Morphiious

well the one consideration is from what I've seen haste pulls slightly ahead of mastery once you break T 11 4pc

Are we talking like item level 359, 378, or 391 here?

I would think with higher int from gear mastery would just continue to benefit more and more.