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Old 07/20/11, 8:23 AM   #27106
Kotopulo
Glass Joe
 
Bloodroze
Blood Elf Rogue
 
Non-US/EU Server (EU)
Hey Guys I have a quick question, sorry if its a bit noobish, I am currently using Feeding Frenzy from shannox as MH and the 1.4 dagger from chogall, and I wonder if it would be a dps loss if I would equip a slower but higher ilvl 1.8 dagger in the offhand (the new craftable one from molten front) considering the +100 dps.

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Old 07/20/11, 8:37 AM   #27107
Truth Revealer
Glass Joe
 
Troll Warlock
 
Neptulon (EU)
Wazax it totaly depends on what you wanna do, good AoE dps or good AoE control?

Destro is worst on both AoE dps and AoE control (depends on if the adds are immune to Shadowfury 3 second stun) which is 99,9% likely since they are raid elite adds.

If you want both AoE dps and AoE control i would say demo or affi with Shadowflame glyphed.

I haven't done the raid yet, but will soon do so i don't know how many adds spawn or how gathered they are.

1-3 Adds scattered = Shadowflame so many as possible then use your normal boss rotation on 1 and the soul swap to second and start with new boss rotation on third add and keep up boss rotations on 2 other adds.

If its more adds and they are together = Seed of Corruption so all gets Corruption on them then tab and use Bane of Agony on all and use Rain of Fire on top of that.

Will later explain demo, brb toilet.

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Old 07/20/11, 8:44 AM   #27108
Resike
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Ragnaros (EU)
Some macro for stancedance:

From Battle to Zerker

#showtooltip Colossus Smash
/startattack
/cast [nostance:3] Berserker Stance; Colossus Smash

#showtooltip Slam
/startattack
/cast [nostance:3] Berserker Stance; Slam

#showtooltip Mortal Strike
/startattack
/use Earthen Gauntlets
/cast Berserker Rage
/cast [nostance:3] Berserker Stance; Mortal Strike

#showtooltip Bladestorm
/startattack
/cast Sweeping Strikes
/cast [nostance:3] Berserker Stance; Bladestorm

From Zerker to Battle

#showtooltip Charge
/dismount
/startattack
/cast !Charge
/cast [nostance:1] Battle Stance; Rend

#showtooltip Overpower
/startattack
/cast [nostance:1] Battle Stance; Overpower

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Old 07/20/11, 8:52 AM   #27109
dirtycam
Glass Joe
 
Undead Priest
 
Gundrak
Thanks a lot Vykas ! for a helpful and complete overlay on the S/Priest. and to all for added imput, i`ve found my gameplay to have gone from deplorable to shithouse, but thats an improvement and i`m still working on it . Instead of abuse being spammed at me like a chinese gold seller, its settled down to resemble an Enchanter LFW , and also only 1 bum cheek hurts `cause i`m only getting kicked half as much , cheerz all

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Old 07/20/11, 9:27 AM   #27110
Drainar
Glass Joe
 
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Human Warlock
 
Aggramar (EU)
Originally Posted by Truth Revealer View Post
Wazax it totaly depends on what you wanna do, good AoE dps or good AoE control?

Destro is worst on both AoE dps and AoE control (depends on if the adds are immune to Shadowfury 3 second stun) which is 99,9% likely since they are raid elite adds.

If you want both AoE dps and AoE control i would say demo or affi with Shadowflame glyphed.

I haven't done the raid yet, but will soon do so i don't know how many adds spawn or how gathered they are.

1-3 Adds scattered = Shadowflame so many as possible then use your normal boss rotation on 1 and the soul swap to second and start with new boss rotation on third add and keep up boss rotations on 2 other adds.

If its more adds and they are together = Seed of Corruption so all gets Corruption on them then tab and use Bane of Agony on all and use Rain of Fire on top of that.

Will later explain demo, brb toilet.
Seed of Corruption provides way better aoe for affli than rain of fire, and the ads are moving, so you need to target rain of fire pretty often which will drain your mana like it's nothing, seed of corruption also has effects when adds are moving, also when they spread a bit, you SoC will still hit others when an add runs out of your RoF, it won't get any damage.

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Old 07/20/11, 9:36 AM   #27111
Tengarez
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Warrior
 
Kel'Thuzad
Originally Posted by cbgoding View Post
Keep overpower on the berserker bar, it'll still light up. Honestly, I make my battle and berserker stance bars look the exact same, I cant even tell I'm dancing.
That is the problem, my overpower doesn't light up... I don't know why.

My macro for overpower is:

#showtooltip Overpower
/cast battle stance
/cast overpower

Besides that, from what I was reading earlier in the thread, someone posted saying you only want to stance to battle to double overpower. So I assumed there was an addon that people were using to keep track of it to reduce time overall in battle stance.

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Old 07/20/11, 9:51 AM   #27112
eylieen
Glass Joe
 
Human Rogue
 
Frostmourne
Enormous DPS loss, don't ever consider using a non-1.4 offhand, no matter how much higher ilvl it is. There are blue 1.4 daggers that would be better dps than a 1.8 Firelands offhand, it will never be a good idea.

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Old 07/20/11, 9:56 AM   #27113
zaziecflops
slange
 
Undead Warlock
 
Mal'Ganis
Dazed and Overwhelmed

Dearly Beloved,

Killing stuff and being high on meters is my passion. However, alll this talk about proccs, rng, ticks, caps, and what not are making my very fuzzy brain hurt. However, I am willing to slog through the math on theorycrafting that could effect damage by 3-4k. In other words, what theorycrafting needs to be comprehended to effect damage at the 3-4k magnitude? In other words, I am currently not interested in super refinements to damage. I would simply like to be an 'average' raiding lock.

Some questions assuming the warlock is adequately enchanted, gemmed and geared:

1. I generally blow most cooldowns at the beginning of the fight because I know proccs are not on cd. Is there a list of priorities for tracking proccs for each warlock specc; for instance for destro it is important to manage ISF and Demo Metamorphosis. After the obvious, what is the priority for the rest of the proccs? I am too old to monitor everything at once. I would like to start with the very basic at first and proceed in baby steps.

2. For each boss there is probably an optimal pet, glyph, and specc selection. Is there a list somewhere? I am willing to respecc for each fight.

3. How does one know that one is spamming the shadowbolt or incinerate button fast enough?

4. Caps? Ticks? Hats? Blood sucking parasites? Is there a comprehensive list of all the caps for all the stats for all the speccs and pet combinations? I can understand the concept of ticks and cap, but we locks also have a seemingly infinite variety of specc , pet selection and combat mechanics. What ticks and caps are imperative to understand and keep track of?

5. When to use Felguard or Succubus in Demo? This is probably encounter dependent?

6. Which raid buffs require what changes in casting? Is there a list somewhere?

7. What pet commands and trinket usage can be macroed into oft used spells. And does this affect computer performance?

8. Does the use of multiple addons affect dps?

9. Should I just roll a mage? ... /weep


Thank you for your time and understanding.


Slange

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Old 07/20/11, 10:05 AM   #27114
ZiaSK
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Dalvengyr
I'm not sure how you set up your bars, but i added in an Overpower button on my secondary bar straight from my spellbook (not the macro). That button lights up even when my macro won't.

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Old 07/20/11, 12:46 PM   #27115
Runtime
Piston Honda
 
Troll Warrior
 
Hyjal
Many bar addons make the macros light up when the standard bars do not. I know bartender for example does this.

As for watching taste for blood, I created a custom buff bar in Satrina Buff Frames and had it only send taste for blood to it. Another popular choice would be to use tellmewhen.

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Old 07/20/11, 2:24 PM   #27116
Ottah
Glass Joe
 
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Worgen Warrior
 
Stormscale
Originally Posted by Btwentyfive View Post
i feel as if im doing something wrong.. could someone look at my spec and a log from a 25m Baleroc kill... i was told by some that i should be doing more dps at my gear level but i cant figure out if its just my rotation that im slacking on or if its my gemming/reforging... i sometimes have difficulty with certain fights but those are teh ones that dont seem to be very melee friendly.. any insight would be greatly appreciated

Btwentyfive @ Ravencrest - Game - World of Warcraft

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
Ok big problem is you are geming wrong, STR is our biggest stat and you are geming for socket bonus's when you def dont need to. I would replace your helm and shoulders with 40's and even your belt your hit is fine realistically. Also as stated above your gloves should have 50 STR enchant and even then 35 if you cant afford 50 atm. Other than that your reforging looks good.
Also on your rotation you need to drop the ww and cleave on single targets, other than that its just fine tuning your rotation and keeping your rage up. It all comes with time.

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Old 07/20/11, 2:46 PM   #27117
myc24
Glass Joe
 
Undead Rogue
 
Kul Tiras
Ive got a couple basic questions. Im getting ready to do a race change and I was wondering which race offers the best overall dps boost. I read the op but he didnnt really give a best choice, im thinking its either troll or orc for assassination rogue. My other question is about the new trinket, Rickets Magnetic Fireball, is this gonna be better than Tias Grace? Currently im still using Fluid Death and Tias grace but i have Unheeded warning, DMCH, and RMF. Im wondering whats the best combination there, if its still FD and TG?

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Old 07/20/11, 4:49 PM   #27118
tomathy
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Priest
 
Windrunner
Originally Posted by Explosion713 View Post
With the boost to mastery in 4.2, I would definitely say the better enchant for gloves is the 65 mastery to gloves. It's proven to be that way for my personal gear set, but maybe for less equipped sets it's the 50 haste like you put.
This is correct. Firelands gear levels will bring 65 mastery above 50 haste

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Old 07/20/11, 5:16 PM   #27119
Kenkanator
Glass Joe
 
Troll Warrior
 
Chromaggus (EU)
Does anyone yet have any input about the 4 piece setbonus dps upgrade for Fury?

I'm trying to determine if I should drop [Greathelm of the Voracious Maw] and [Earthen Gauntlets] over 2x normal tier12 to gain the 4 piece bonus.
(Also I'm currently using SMF since I don't feel like taking 2h weapons off "2h only" classes)

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Old 07/20/11, 5:36 PM   #27120
cbgoding
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warrior
 
Thunderlord
InlineAura works well for double overpower, too. It tracks the taste for blood timer on the overpower button, so when you see it approach 4 seconds you know to switch and pop them off.

Only doing double overpowers is a dps boost if you can pull it off. It's not if you delay a gcd by doing it. So don't try to learn how on bosses, spend 30 minutes on a practice dummy instead.

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