Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1813

Alisarae · 07/22/11, 7:03 PM

Originally Posted by Lokrick

Thanks for the data. I count only 8 SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE events in the log you posted, rather than 9. That is consistent with the analysis in the sim thread: ES acts like other Cata dots in that it clips and extends the current dot after its next pending tick. In your log, the last tick of the second shot was clipped. There was a discussion early in Cata about whether clipping was worth getting ES on CD. Even then, the numbers were close between ES ES ES, ES ES AS ES, and ES CS ES AS ES. I'm running similar sims with the new dot behavior, but the data isn't quite together yet.

Without any testing, I will tell you it depends completely on your haste which is best. ES ES ES would be best at extremely low haste levels where the GCD is slower. ES CS ES AS ES in the case of higher haste levels with 85+ focus. Medially ES CS ES CS AS ES would be best.

Gewen · 07/22/11, 8:50 PM

Originally Posted by Sinless

People who are asking about 4pT11 vs. 2pT12 the short answer is it depends.

The long answer is, typically (and underline that word), if you are replacing ilvl359 tier gear, it's worth it. If you are replacing heroic T11, it's typically (again) not worth it. You have to use Rawr or Simcraft and decide for yourself.

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With Rawr I'm actually being told to stick with 4pT11 N then to move to 2pT12. Hence why I asked. Even Simc seems a bit on the fence. The 28k was the first figure I've heard that the random mirror images does. Has there been any studies on this or is it simply anecdotal?

Borisan · 07/22/11, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by Gewen

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With Rawr I'm actually being told to stick with 4pT11 N then to move to 2pT12. Hence why I asked. Even Simc seems a bit on the fence. The 28k was the first figure I've heard that the random mirror images does. Has there been any studies on this or is it simply anecdotal?

It casts Fireball 4 times for 7k damage each, for a total of 28k.

kroemer · 07/22/11, 10:57 PM

i did get my post deleted, cool

MyLifeIsRandom · 07/23/11, 12:27 AM

Hello everyone. I'd like to ask if adding a /petattack macro into my abilities, (Hand of Gul'dan, Immolate, Incinerate, etc.) would offer a noticeable increase in my DPS. I'm currently Demonology, and I have Pet Attack keybound to Mouse Wheel Up and Pet Follow to Mouse Wheel Down. The problem is that I seldom remember to scroll up as I'm casting an opening spell. So, should I start macro'ing all my keybinds to also send in my pet, or is the difference in DPS not much from just having Assist mode dictate when my pet attacks? Thank you in advance for helping me.

Burberri · 07/23/11, 1:28 AM

Originally Posted by WarlockSchmorlock

At what point does the DPS from BoD exceed BoA? Is BoD better after only 15 seconds? 30? or does it take the full minute to stronger than BoA?

This depends on time to die and your haste levels. But assuming you aren't bloodlust + erradication or have some sinestra/alysrazor type haste, Doom beats out CoA if time to die is greater than 30 seconds, and also if time to die is in the 15-25 second range (this is gonna be haste dependent). Less than 15 seconds you wouldn't cast either.

Friedasfan · 07/23/11, 2:38 AM

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jimme · 07/23/11, 2:56 AM

Originally Posted by Borisan

It casts Fireball 4 times for 7k damage each, for a total of 28k.

But how often does it spawn in average per minute? In the grand scheme of things, 28k damage is completely useless if it isn't up pretty much constantly.

hotmetal · 07/23/11, 3:23 AM

Originally Posted by Alisarae

Without any testing, I will tell you it depends completely on your haste which is best. ES ES ES would be best at extremely low haste levels where the GCD is slower.

Haste does not affect your GCD.

Slade_ID · 07/23/11, 4:24 AM

Anyone know the answer to my other question about the DW BiS?

Drainar · 07/23/11, 5:26 AM

Since Imp damage has been nerfed by something, won't the glyph of incinerate be better than the imp glyph?

I haven't had time to check it, so I hope someone can help me out.

Fru · 07/23/11, 7:45 AM

Originally Posted by Violett

Still cant figure out what trinket is better - 1)Soul Casket, 2)Alchemist Stone or 3)Volcano card. Rawr shows that I should use 1+2, while Simcraft shows Volcano card is superior. So where is the truth ? Any chance to see list of arcane trinkets value somewhere ?

I'd love to see arcane trinket list too. Currently I have DMC:V and Stump of Time left from raiding as fire and since I got my hands on Moonwell Chalice, I'd like to know wich one should I replace first and later on, what trinket (besides SoW) should I aim for.

conjurer · 07/23/11, 9:41 AM

Trinkets:
-BiS: [Shard of Woe]
- 2nd: [Variable Pulse Lightning Capacitor](proc is affected by arcane mastery)
- 3rd: [Theralion's Mirror] (heroic)
- 4th: [Moonwell Chalice]
- 5th: [Theralion's Mirror] (reg)

Simqn · 07/23/11, 11:30 AM

To be honest this haste discusion has gone on for pages and pages and seem to be adding nothing to the paladin comunity exept muddy the waters which are in essence very clear. Hypothesising about future haste inflection points are largely pointless at this time and I would propose that we cross that bridge when we need to, in this tier of content the theory crafters have sorted the maths they all agree so maybe its time to discuss things that will actually help us?

On that note i'm trying to get a good handle on a trinket priority list (as frankly the one on maxdps is embaresing) and struggling has it been agreed which ones we should be aiming for and ones to use in the meantime till then?

Peace all.

Naididae · 07/23/11, 12:33 PM

Have you actually read what is being discussed here? Very different from a haste inflection point. You should try reading before posting.
Also, this is not a BiS discussion thread.