Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1814

Mamoru · 07/23/11, 1:04 PM

And to be fair over the last 5 pages there is info on ranked trinkets.

Ragebark · 07/23/11, 1:54 PM

Originally Posted by Grimraven

I was comparing [Apparatus of Khaz'goroth] with [Heart of Rage] to see if [Apparatus of Khaz'goroth] is really a dps gain.

I loaded landsoul's profile into a simcraft using chardev and ran a simulation. Average dps comes out to be 28730 with his current gear setup.

I then changed [Heart of Rage] with [Apparatus of Khaz'goroth] and reforged his gear to compensate for missing expertise.

Ran simulation again. Average dps comes out to be 28554, which is basically a 176dps loss.
I read that simcraft does not include trinket procs into simulations. However even if you compare the 2 trinkets solely based on their stats which are 363expertise versus 383str, 383str should theoretically result in more dps.

I would like to hear other thoughts on this.

P.S. I realize that this topic has already been discussed, but I just don't see enough proof that [Apparatus of Khaz'goroth] is indeed better than [Heart of Rage]

other thoughts: if [Apparatus of Khaz'goroth] was in fact better, wouldn't you think Landsoul was already using it instead of [Heart of Rage] ?

I ran a few numbers and heroic heart of rage I believe stays prevalent till you can replace it with the heroic apparatus. I don't have the exact numbers near me but the major issue really right now is firestones are nearly non existent so the heroic version of upgradable trinkets is somewhat difficult to acquire to say the least.

kevyo · 07/23/11, 2:01 PM

Will mastery be stronger than haste with the t12 4p?

eirohir · 07/23/11, 2:08 PM

I'm looking at all the math here, and its all good, the problem here is no one can agree on who is right, I cant say one way or the other who is offering the most effective mana / spell ratio, but i will say this is a confusing topic for me.

Is there a way we can Break it Down to its componant parts, and re-build the theorycrafting based on solid numbers and not made up ones?

For example what are the stat weights for a holy pala this patch (4.2)

Int
Spirit
Haste / Mastery
Crit

Depending on the type of healer you are, or want to be, is it fair to say that either option is viable? the mastery buff makes tank healing alot more intreasting and a little more effective in constant low damage situations (25-45k /3secs), but the basic foundation of holy pala healing has not changed dramaticly from 4.1 we simply have two options now, mastery or haste, i cant see one being weaker than the other, and each has its place in certain situations. In higher level damage situations (55-85k / 3secs) Crit / haste will win the day over and over again.

So my Question is this, Is it better to have high mastery / low crit, or Low mastery / High Crit. (I think we all will agree haste is a keeper in both situations)

Crey · 07/23/11, 2:55 PM

Just want to ask if simc considered the pvp set bonus.

It doesn't based on my experience, but I am not sure.

It is quite possible that the bis at normal version t12 level is with 4 set 384 pvp set (higher int, 5% arcane blast damage), so anyone can confirm this, and provide some results?

Simqn · 07/23/11, 3:09 PM

Originally Posted by Naididae

Have you actually read what is being discussed here? Very different from a haste inflection point. You should try reading before posting.
Also, this is not a BiS discussion thread.

Hmmmm, cos all i see is haste discussion but hey ho thats a non debate.

And no its not a BiS thread (even though there are lists on these pages which i could point out severy pages if you like), did i mention BiS? It's just that the ret threat since BC has always had trinket discussion, i have been reding it for many years so i do know what it is thank you.

As to the next poster thank you for you constructive help I missed that bit ill have a look now!

conjurer · 07/23/11, 3:38 PM

From my simulations the pvp 384 is not as good as T11 or T12. You do gain more int, but the resil cant be reforged off, so you loose a lot of haste/mastery/ crit

Crey · 07/23/11, 3:43 PM

Originally Posted by conjurer

From my simulations the pvp 384 is not as good as T11 or T12. You do gain more int, but the resil cant be reforged off, so you loose a lot of haste/mastery/ crit

The key here is the pvp set bonus, 5% arcane blast damage easily worth 4% total dps, which is 1500+ dps. And the haste/mastert/cri on 4 piece is less than 1000 total and less than 1500 dps.

And the problem with simulation is it seems simc does not add the 5% ab damage bonus in the simulation.....

Can you add 5% damage to your arcane blast damage to the 384 pvp set result, and see if then it passes the damage of t11/t12 result?

Simqn · 07/23/11, 3:53 PM

Originally Posted by Elidra

Secondly, I could've sworn that typing in proper English was a requirement of posting here.

Wow, just wow.

I'm terribly sorry that my second language lacks perfect puctuation and grammar. I do try and didnt know that the posters here needed certain qualifications to try and help add to to the discusion.

Though thank you for helping I wont ask further questions.

Bithjá · 07/23/11, 4:25 PM

It seems to be, there too many addons xD

Bithjá · 07/23/11, 4:26 PM

nice idea bro

Bithjá · 07/23/11, 4:28 PM

very complycated o.0

Bithjá · 07/23/11, 4:29 PM

very complicated o.0

Bithjá · 07/23/11, 4:29 PM

very complicated o.0

Bithjá · 07/23/11, 4:31 PM

nice hardware wtf o.0