Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1821

kontonamnjohan · 07/29/11, 6:49 AM

Hai, first of all a really great guide.

I wonder if it is bad taht I only push 18k as affliction without multi-dotting on heroic dummies? Affliction is my ms nad demo is my os. As demo I can push ~25k easily.

Plumpie @ Jaedenar - Game - World of Warcraft <-- Armory link

Here is a WoL to one of our baleroc normal kills. World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis Please tell me if I can do anything to improve my dps

Quackers · 07/29/11, 7:05 AM

Unless I'm missing something... Why do you think higher Mastery mean more offhand strikes?

I would've thought it means more Main Gauche strikes - which does Main Hand damage from a Main Hand attack. Mastery has nothing to do with your OH at all.

Eiladin · 07/29/11, 7:27 AM

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dune1 · 07/29/11, 10:24 AM

I'm in need of major help. Here is my toon - Episcopal @ Eonar - Game - World of Warcraft

I did shannox last night and did 13-15k dps. My equipped ilvl is 355 so im sure that's part of the problem. A lot of my gear is new so it's not enchanted. But that shouldn't affect my dps drastically. I just see the top spriest on world of logs is at 34k.

Here's my rotation - swp mf till orb, mb, vt, dp, swd, mf, refresh dots, repeat. I pop wings and sf from start. 2x swd when boss is at 25%. I can't seem to get above 15k dps. Any help?

• nikeplektrum · 07/29/11, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by dune1

I'm in need of major help. Here is my toon - Episcopal @ Eonar - Game - World of Warcraft

I did shannox last night and did 13-15k dps. My equipped ilvl is 355 so im sure that's part of the problem. A lot of my gear is new so it's not enchanted. But that shouldn't affect my dps drastically. I just see the top spriest on world of logs is at 34k.

Here's my rotation - swp mf till orb, mb, vt, dp, swd, mf, refresh dots, repeat. I pop wings and sf from start. 2x swd when boss is at 25%. I can't seem to get above 15k dps. Any help?

Topping WoL requires good gear and to keep dots up on both of the ads. Enchant and gem your gear (for example you want to gem for socket bonus on chest and legs), make sure that you are able to keep a good rotation with great uptime on dots before worrying about the optimal opening rotation.

jarbulldog · 07/29/11, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by FBMWhite

Rawr's Fury module is not complete, so I wouldn't but a lot of faith into it.
Rawr

thank you for the update because i was trying figure why the 2 varied so much

mathfreq · 07/29/11, 1:19 PM

Originally Posted by Kashir

Horribly worse?

It's a 2% proc rate for a 15s proc increasing your spirit regen by 100% (less for Holy Priests, so ironically the spirit-favouring class gets even less value from this trinket). If you're casting an average of 1 spell every 2 seconds (probably an overestimate for most specs), it's going to have an uptime of about 15%.

As a raid buffed Disc Priest in spirit gear, my ~2400 spirit gives me about 1622 mp5 in-combat. 15% of that is ~245 mp5 from the Blue Dragon trinket. It'll be slightly higher for more geared players.

The mana proc alone on Tyrande's Favourite Doll is ~350 mp5.

Thanks for the response. It's nice to see some quick numbers comparing the two.

Nyatzz508 · 07/29/11, 1:22 PM

Originally Posted by dune1

I'm in need of major help. Here is my toon - Episcopal @ Eonar - Game - World of Warcraft

I did shannox last night and did 13-15k dps. My equipped ilvl is 355 so im sure that's part of the problem. A lot of my gear is new so it's not enchanted. But that shouldn't affect my dps drastically. I just see the top spriest on world of logs is at 34k.

Here's my rotation - swp mf till orb, mb, vt, dp, swd, mf, refresh dots, repeat. I pop wings and sf from start. 2x swd when boss is at 25%. I can't seem to get above 15k dps. Any help?

Agreed with other replies, gem and enchant in order to maximize results. Also, as previously stated before, using a mod to watch your dot ticks on multiple targets is key for that fight. Just try to keep SWP and VT rolling on the ones that are not your primary target the entire fight, and im sure the numbers will go up.

On another note, you might want to try to reach closer to the hit cap. I noticed your trinkets were reforged to haste, but if the dots miss, how is haste going to scale? a good place to work your mods is the target dummies in org, there are three, so practice multidotting on them if you need.

Cheers.

Ebonleaf · 07/29/11, 1:42 PM

Originally Posted by Rivkah

This looks to be an artifact of the aimed shot glyph. The trouble with aimed shot glyph is that extra crit will cause your simulated focus balance to change, which can in some cases create some major shot shifting, and not always in an advantageous fashion. Comparing the two reports side by side the shot counts are definitely off. When I swapped it to the arcane shot glyph the gloves showed the expected dps increase.

Thanks for checking that out, I appreciate it. I'll change out the glyph in FD.

dune1 · 07/29/11, 2:53 PM

Originally Posted by Nyatzz508

Agreed with other replies, gem and enchant in order to maximize results. Also, as previously stated before, using a mod to watch your dot ticks on multiple targets is key for that fight. Just try to keep SWP and VT rolling on the ones that are not your primary target the entire fight, and im sure the numbers will go up.

On another note, you might want to try to reach closer to the hit cap. I noticed your trinkets were reforged to haste, but if the dots miss, how is haste going to scale? a good place to work your mods is the target dummies in org, there are three, so practice multidotting on them if you need.

Cheers.

I don't see how multi dotting increases damage. Everyone says to do it though so it obviously does. Logic says it does. But if I am concsyantly refreshing dots on 3-4a targets when would I have time to mf or mb the primary target?

• Snowy · 07/29/11, 3:21 PM

Originally Posted by dune1

I don't see how multi dotting increases damage. Everyone says to do it though so it obviously does. Logic says it does. But if I am concsyantly refreshing dots on 3-4a targets when would I have time to mf or mb the primary target?

If you ever read a guide and see the term "DPET" -- it refers to this. DPET is Damage Per Execute Time. In short, DoTs offer the most bang for the buck. It works off the fact that dots are "fire and forget" -- for that one action of casting the dot, you get a huge payoff in damage, it just takes longer for it to accumulate as opposed to Mind Blast or Mind Flay which front loads the damage.

dune1 · 07/29/11, 3:44 PM

Originally Posted by Snowy

If you ever read a guide and see the term "DPET" -- it refers to this. DPET is Damage Per Execute Time. In short, DoTs offer the most bang for the buck. It works off the fact that dots are "fire and forget" -- for that one action of casting the dot, you get a huge payoff in damage, it just takes longer for it to accumulate as opposed to Mind Blast or Mind Flay which front loads the damage.

So if I multi dot I shouldn't cast mb or mf? I should just dot and refresh the whole time? What is the general number of adds I should dot? Is there a dps difference if I am dotting 3 adds the whole time in comparison to just single targeting? The problem I have with multiple targets is tab targeting. When I tab I will constantly target the same adds that I have already dotted instead of finding a target that I haven't dotted yet.

Szeretlek · 07/29/11, 4:19 PM

So if I multi dot I shouldn't cast mb or mf? I should just dot and refresh the whole time? What is the general number of adds I should dot? Is there a dps difference if I am dotting 3 adds the whole time in comparison to just single targeting? The problem I have with multiple targets is tab targeting. When I tab I will constantly target the same adds that I have already dotted instead of finding a target that I haven't dotted yet.

Make macros for focus dotting (set focus to boss for example and active target adds), set your dot tracker to show focus dots, target dots and cooldowns (fortexorcist is good). Mace macros for easy target adds for your encounter.
For example Rhyolith. I place right leg (we turn him mostly right) in focus. I have macros:
/tar left
/tar right
/tar Spark
/cast [@Tank] Mind Sear

I can easily put constant damage to focus leg, I can easlily AoE adds, I can easily burn Spark and if needed burn any leg.
I put taget macros for F1-F5.

dune1 · 07/29/11, 4:23 PM

Originally Posted by Szeretlek

Make macros for focus dotting (set focus to boss for example and active target adds), set your dot tracker to show focus dots, target dots and cooldowns (fortexorcist is good). Mace macros for easy target adds for your encounter.
For example Rhyolith. I place right leg (we turn him mostly right) in focus. I have macros:
/tar left
/tar right
/tar Spark
/cast [@Tank] Mind Sear

I can easily put constant damage to focus leg, I can easlily AoE adds, I can easily burn Spark and if needed burn any leg.
I put taget macros for F1-F5.

Yeah I don't use a lot of macros. I have almost no experience with them. I'm still a clicker too, lol. Guess it'll just be a learning experience.

If I mind sear, should I dot as well? What is the minimum number of adds to use mind sear for max dps?

qae · 07/29/11, 10:42 PM

ignore this, and delete please.