Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1823

Loot · 08/01/11, 4:30 AM

Dots: multidotting is huge dps increase. On 2 targets you can comfortably dot and have time for flaying, on 3 stuff is not so clear, but keeping SW:P on all should get you the orbs needed without mf. You have to always cast MB to keep empowered shadows up, or your dots will be nothing.
Aoe: 3 or more targets are nice for searing, but you have to keep empowered shadows up. So it is like that - if the adds will live some 20-30 seconds then put SW:P on one or more of these to ensure orbs flow, then use mb only to get the buff and ms the rest of the time. Also, clip every ms with the next before it expires, same with mf, getting more dps this way.

Falkaa · 08/01/11, 5:23 AM

hello guys I checked this BiS list and I couldn't find why chardev 8 isn't BiS item setup, I swapped tier leg and alysrazor's and head from ragnaros with Shannox, according to Cochies stat wight agi is the best and haste is so lame, so with this setup i got more agi and crit and minimalize haste from items which is the worst, you don't have perfect 17% hit chance but 16.82 should work also

haven't checked enhsim yet cos i just started using it but would like to hear your opinion about it

ladoslo · 08/01/11, 7:16 AM

Sorry guys for asking this but I haven't read the post yet but I just want to ask if this can be also used for pvp?

volaju · 08/01/11, 7:58 AM

Originally Posted by Loot

Dots: multidotting is huge dps increase. On 2 targets you can comfortably dot and have time for flaying, on 3 stuff is not so clear, but keeping SW:P on all should get you the orbs needed without mf. You have to always cast MB to keep empowered shadows up, or your dots will be nothing.
Aoe: 3 or more targets are nice for searing, but you have to keep empowered shadows up. So it is like that - if the adds will live some 20-30 seconds then put SW:P on one or more of these to ensure orbs flow, then use mb only to get the buff and ms the rest of the time. Also, clip every ms with the next before it expires, same with mf, getting more dps this way.

Multidotting is indeed a DPS increase by DPET logic, any evidence contrary to this would come from a scenario where straight mind searing would kill multiple targets faster, which will be the case when there's a swarm of little adds that don't survive longer than 10 seconds etc. The less adds there are, and the more HP they have, the more multidotting will start to become preferable. Generally speaking if there's 3 or less adds that are going to survive longer than 15 seconds, I'll opt to multidot, and if there's 4 or more, I'll just toss out SWP for orbs and sear to win.

Also if you're actually wasting GCD's moving around, fumbling around targetting those adds, and losing ES etc in the process, that's going to screw your numbers too. This is why focus targeting is a big deal, to make for fluid target switching.

I'm curious about clipping sear and flay with the same spell though... Doesn't this lose a tick, I didn't think these spells functioned like clipping your other dots in this way. Can someone clarify which is correct here?

Korath55 · 08/01/11, 8:24 AM

Originally Posted by succorso

I added Power Auras, disabled clcret and I am trying my hardest to manage all the cooldowns and keep Inquisition up as much as possible. In ZA I did about 11.7k which is a huge improvement over 10k. But, where should my dps be?

Thanks for the help.

i cheked your armory i agree with peer you need to change those glyphs plus talents atm you'r more PvP spec then PvE
and btw you'r doing so low dps cause you have 5.87% hit raiting and you need 8.00% to be capped that's one of the main reasons for your low dps.
And you done some bad reforge for example on helm you reforge mastery to hit never reforge mastery reforge haste to hit sicne haste is worst pala stat

oh and my main is retri pala idk why it's showing i have dwarf druid probcause i forgot details of my first acc .)

Sien · 08/01/11, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by volaju

Generally speaking if there's 3 or less adds that are going to survive longer than 15 seconds, I'll opt to multidot, and if there's 4 or more, I'll just toss out SWP for orbs and sear to win.

Also if you're actually wasting GCD's moving around, fumbling around targetting those adds, and losing ES etc in the process, that's going to screw your numbers too. This is why focus targeting is a big deal, to make for fluid target switching.

As a rule of thumb, if the add isn't going to survive the duration of the DoT, it may not be worth casting the DoT itself. On the other hand, likely if you're raiding 10man and the DoT may need to be refreshed so it may be worth casting a second DoT at the same time, generally VT. SW:P should take priority obviously for Shadow Orbs and always be the first cast. If you are to cast VT also, SW:P is already ticking and you have time to switch target whilst the spell cast completes.

In many cases a pack of small adds comes with a large add e.g Scorpion packs in Firelands. I tend to full DoT the larger Scorpion before rotating DoTs onto the smaller adds, then returning to the larger mob, refreshing as appropiate and Mind Seering through that target. As of 4.1 Mind Seer now also damages the target itself, deeming the target is hostile. Again, refresh DoTs on the smaller adds as appropiate.

Mendingo · 08/01/11, 5:16 PM

I feel like I am taking crazy pills here.
I need final clarification once and for all about the haste breakpoints.

Here is my math from your guys thread.
128.05 haste = 1%
2005 is what everyone should be pushing for... Is this with or without Mind Quickening or Wrath?

I have 1366 haste and always raid with either a totem or mind quickening.
1366 + 128.05 x 5 = 640.25 for a total of: 2006 (which is me hitting the 2005 per your advice)

Enlighten me, please.

Catla · 08/01/11, 5:37 PM

In the Op corruption is stil listed as a must in our rotation. But today i spend some time on a dummy (after trying to run simcraft and horribly fail) and I noticed that my dps was higher without having corruption into the rotation.
Is there anyone who could validate this?

shaolinhh · 08/01/11, 11:05 PM

Is there a haste hard cap or somtehing like that? Im currently 2694 haste, should i keep maxing it or go crit with the haste % threshold of dots?

Thanks for your answers

wagoozen · 08/02/11, 2:06 AM

Hi fellow warlock,

I am wonder if anyone can tell what i am doing wrong.
I am a Affliction lock, on ravenholdt named Dibli (worgen).
People tell me with my gear i can do more dps then i doing now
I run simulation craft and comes with numbers of 23k dps.

My normal rotation is: Haunt, Bane of Doom, Corruption, UA and shadowbolt but what i do is when haunt is Off CD i refreshe all of my dots, also i refresh BoD and Corruption before they run out.

Can anyone advise me?

Kind regards,

Dibli
Ravenholdt(EU)

Loot · 08/02/11, 6:19 AM

Originally Posted by volaju

I'm curious about clipping sear and flay with the same spell though... Doesn't this lose a tick, I didn't think these spells functioned like clipping your other dots in this way. Can someone clarify which is correct here?

They did that in 4.1, you no longer lose tick when you refresh with the same spell before the last tick, i.e. you are making the gap between flays/sears 0. For my connection - 40-45ms that is roughly 10% increase (cast 10 flays clipping, cast 10 without and compare the time/ticks) and 10% is a serious gain, especially in aoe

AlbertWesker · 08/02/11, 9:40 AM

Hey guys
Pretty noob when it comes to working out reforges
any tips on my toon for PvE ?
keeping in mind I know I have a few pvp gear on at the moment, but its a lot better than my blue PvE equipment
any suggestions, im pulling pretty shit DPS atm with my rotation at the moment
Appreciate it

WoW Reforge Calculator & Optimizer
Link to my toons gear atm

Violett · 08/02/11, 9:51 AM

Originally Posted by Kavan

The effect is definitely there. On a test I just made looking at haste scaling graph there is a noticeable drop from about 1.5 to around 1.1 dps per stat point at the soft cap.

My bad, seems I was fire specced at that moment.

Please delete both of two my latest posts to not cause misinformation.

DigitalRemix · 08/02/11, 1:51 PM

Rawr is telling me to reforge everything to haste and gem for straight int no matter the socket bonus.... so yeah now im confused...

Could someone help out a bit with just the basics of whats required as an arcane mage, cause now im lost.

mufasalord · 08/02/11, 3:29 PM

Regarding furry, it says that the stat priority for TG is Strength > Crit > Hit > Mastery > Haste. Why is haste your worst stat here? duel wielding 2 hander that swing quite slow wouldn't you want to actually reforge into haste somewhat? i mean there isn't much of a need to have hit more than the hit cap if your white hits are barley going to be hitting.

And the same goes for SMF where the stat priority is Crit > Hit > Haste > Mastery. wouldnt you want more mastery than haste because you'll be swinging faster? wouldn't mind a detailed explanation from anyone