Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1826

dlseven777 · 08/05/11, 10:22 AM

Is there a good site that lists mage formulas? For example how a talent effects dmg on frostbolt. Or is this talent additive or multiplicative.

vykas · 08/05/11, 12:14 PM

I think it's important to note when we're talking about "trash" and when we're talking about "bosses" in regard to multi-dot strategies. I think there is some bleed over in this discussion that can be confusing.

So, with that said, just to clarify, boss encounters with more than one target require a multi-dot strategy. Trash requires that it dies. Nothing really special there. People don't look at logs of trash to determine performance.

amazngrace · 08/05/11, 5:20 PM

Personally I'd get rid of the Elixirs and the buff food first. Mainly just due to the cost. Plus if i was ever out of one or the other I wouldn't want to not be capped if I could have been. Once you can go even further I'd check all my gear for any bonuses I passed up.

Meloree · 08/05/11, 5:47 PM

Cost should be considered a non-issue in optimizing your performance for progression. Elixirs are superior to gem trades as a method of converting stamina into mastery, and thus you should keep using elixirs for as long as possible. It's a safe assumption that most of the time you want to keep Mirror available in your progression set (it's useful at Baleroc, Staghelm, Ragnaros, and Rhyolith - that's enough to plan around having it in your progression gearset) so your best plan is to gem stamina instead of mastery until you're just slightly above 102.4, unless/until you have enough mastery to trade a low ilvl mastery trinket (not mirror) for a higher ilvl stamina trinket.

But absolutely keep using elixirs and mastery food.

Incadelico · 08/05/11, 7:36 PM

Originally Posted by Meloree

Elixirs are superior to gem trades as a method of converting stamina into mastery

I'm not sure if I understood you correctly, but trading an elixir for a flask is a 2:1 exchange (450 stamina vs 225 mastery) tradings gems (and also trinkets, not to mention the usefulness of mirror) is a 1.5:1 exchange, (60 stamina vs 40 mastery/575 stamina vs 383 mastery) so I'd go with option A).

NSK · 08/05/11, 8:56 PM

Originally Posted by Incadelico

I'm not sure if I understood you correctly, but trading an elixir for a flask is a 2:1 exchange (450 stamina vs 225 mastery) tradings gems (and also trinkets, not to mention the usefulness of mirror) is a 1.5:1 exchange, (60 stamina vs 40 mastery/575 stamina vs 383 mastery) so I'd go with option A).

Sorry I forgot to include the prismatic elixir i am also using which adds another 90 additional resistance to all spell schools, so trading "2" elixirs (225 mastery + 90 resistance) for a stamina flask is not a simple 2:1 exchange. Thanks for bringing this ratio comparison though.

Since there is a fair amount of magical damage in fireland raid encounters, I would agree that keep using elixirs and mastery food is the way to go. So for now I will go with re-gemming from mastery to stamina, and see if I can convert them back and replace a mastery trinket with stamina/avoidance as gears improve. I hate not having the flexibility to change trinkets according to encounter, just because I am not at full CTC. Another reason is that the fireland reputation trinket which gives 383 dodge rating and an on-use effect that absorb ~50k damage seems to be another powerful cooldown to be placed in our "long queue of cd".

Thanks for the replies guys.

Hjarl · 08/06/11, 3:35 AM

Hello all

For my first EJ post (been lurking for a long while) i would like to ask if anyone has done a new assassination EP calculation for "Unheeded Warning" after the proc got changed to AP? I would imagine it would be a buff for assassin?

/Hjarl

Calypso · 08/06/11, 7:32 AM

Ok, I am in charge of a casual 10 man guild and currently sitting at 4/7 in FL due to summer slacking. I have reached the avoidance cap and can not decide what to do next. I must confess that I usually do not use a foodbuff unless we have a feast and use stamina flask from the cauldron. Despite being the best player in the guild and better than our druid and DK tank I usually play healer or dps on the one tank fights, and do the hard parts in 2 tank fights.

Anyway I can not decide on what to do now that I am capped. I have 67.30% block so I mostly stack mastery. The question is do I go for extra stamina now or reduce mastery in favor of dodge/parry? From my point of view as we currently outgear most of the encounters, I do not need the extra stamina but on the other hand losing block to gain 1-2% extra dodge and parry seem a bit underwhelming when u are already capped.

Nisall · 08/06/11, 8:13 AM

If you are comfortable with your stamina you should start converting mastery into dodge/parry while staying avoidance capped since no damage > 70% damage taken.

Chaos_effect · 08/06/11, 10:04 AM

I've been hearing that Unheeded Warning is being changed (or was already) from a 680 weapon damage proc to instead give attack power. Because of this I was wondering if Unheeded Warning still a top tier trinket or did this change lower its effectiveness? Was just curious before I spent the money on it.

yodadoe · 08/06/11, 11:16 AM

I've yet to find a lot of information about the UW change. I'm currently stuck on a bad realm so am faced with a choice between UW, Fluid Death and Ricket's for the time being. Can anyone speak to which of those might be best to use, now?

meka · 08/06/11, 5:11 PM

removed sorry

Medastase · 08/06/11, 8:12 PM

A bug that seems to be not very well known from now.
The usage of the MOONWELL Chalice should not be used in Macro with metamorphosis.
If you use it as a /use in you metamorphosis macro this will not be count...pure lost.
It seems to be due to a kind of latency considering the Chalice to be acrive (time to "receive" the buff).

In the macro: Moonwell Chalice bug in macro - Xfire Video
Just before: Moonwell Chalice bug by pass - Xfire Video

(PS: I have wrote the same post in the Mechanics to be taken into account

Xayton · 08/07/11, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by Calypso

Anyway I can not decide on what to do now that I am capped. I have 67.30% block so I mostly stack mastery. The question is do I go for extra stamina now or reduce mastery in favor of dodge/parry? From my point of view as we currently outgear most of the encounters, I do not need the extra stamina but on the other hand losing block to gain 1-2% extra dodge and parry seem a bit underwhelming when u are already capped.

I think it is a good idea to try and do both at the same time and go for a very balanced approach, but at the same time you are always better off avoiding an attack and taking no damage then blocking and taking damage. However you are basically answering your own question. You don't think you need more health, so you might as well change some mastery (reforges or gems) into avoidance while staying at or above 102.4%.

Fyasco · 08/07/11, 11:33 AM

As the total coverage cap becomes easier, will dodge and parry become priority or will most tanks stack stamina again? I would think total coverage with majority of it being dodge and parry makes for better survivability but it will cost so much more in stat weight