Any Mac Fraps alternatives?

So using moonwell chalice properly b4 metamorphosis regularly changes secondary stat prio to more crit instead of haste? can any confirm this cus i find it weird...

Also, if ive understood this right with meta+moonwell chalice then we sholuld get the mastery for 36sek instead of 20 when meta is glyphed allowing for 2 trinks to be "active" same time? Sounds to good to be true, though when just switching out rotation and doing meta after ive popped moonwell and herb haste i gain 8k more dps for the duration, atleast unbuffed on the raiders dummy...

HI guys, this is my first post so if its in the wrong place (after reading TONS of posts) don't flame me!

I currently have a Goblin DK (Mófó, Twilights Hammer) using Frost DW. The reason i went for this is because your guide;

Frost DPS | Cataclysm, Larger Than Life

It clearly states that DW is approx 10% more DPS that a 2H spec yet the top Frost DK Czarplex (i'm assuming) in your guild uses a 2H weapon. My fragile little mind has trouble understanding this, could you please shed some light on which spec is best? Maybe i've missed a revised guide, if i have i apologise. I've always found your site a great source of information for end game specs but i keep passing up 2H weapons claiming they are below par. I can see the merits for having the infinitely quicker DW spec and having tried both specs the DW certainly 'feels' like it kicks more ass.

hey,

i have a few questions about the prot specc.

i tried to read the main article pretty careful and thought this is the way to go:
- get a decent amount of hp in order to stay alive at certain bursts.
- get as much mastery as possible
- stay in the parry/dodge ratio as in the figure mentioned in the first post.
- for thread: get 26 expertise and adjust hit as needed.

now i saw many profiles from MT raiding the new contet and i see the following diffrence:
- parry/doge ratio up to 1.6 (or at least a value, which is not suggested in the figure!!)
- exp is often neglected. sometimes its way more than 26. but i never see exp 26 - same as hit.

so what to gear for the FL raid content as a tank? and what about that parry/dodge ratio?


furthermore is the talent discussion outdated and i am really confused about the deep wounds talent. is it only a dps talent or even more a dps and thps talent?
i got this build now.

furthermore i see a lot warriors using HS a lot more, than i am. so what about that rotation?
shield slam on CD.
rend up and renew with thunderclap.
concussion blow/heroic throw as CD allows
devastate to get 3 stacks of sunder armor and devastate only as a filler/renew of sunder armor
and HS only if rage is >90 ? i think one should use HS more often to get more dps/thps!

i found a spreadsheet, but which is the most easy to use and correct spreadsheet.

best,
mad

With the glyph and nightfall talent you still only have 8% chance to proc an instant shadow bolt, which might seem a lot, but in a raid situation it won't proc so often when only applied to 1 target and BoD would still outdamage it even when every tick of corruption provides a instant shadow bolt, which will never happen, and BoD has a chance to summon a guardian pet and it has a higher crit chance than your shadow bolts.

In my current gear, BoD does an average dmg of 100k+, 2 of 4 ticks crit very often, and shadow bolt has an average dmg of 12-15k non crit, that would mean you have to crit at least 4 shadow bolts to outdamage BoD and 8 non-crit shadow bolts.

For threat on single target I charge and heroic throw pop my recklessness macro which casts recklessness, shield block, and shield slam then normally devestate and heroic strike. I do not prioritize getting debuffs on the boss until I have a healthy threat lead about the time I have to refresh rend I hit tclap and demo shout. After that it's normal threat and vengeance does the rest.

@maderthaner
You want probably 180k for normals and 200-220k for heroics after that stack mastery.
You want as much ctc (combat table coverage) preferably to cap (102.4-5%miss), if you can't get to cap make sure you have more hp to make up for bad rng.
You can get more ctc sometimes by reforging defensive stats to mastery as you get closer to cap this becomes more worth it.
Parry is better then dodge as a defensive stat
because of hold the line
because windwalk proc is 600 dodge rating.
If your not at cap you can probably value parry at 20% better then dodge and at a minimum (from hold the line) and leave dodge 600 behind parry (break this for full ctc).

As far as threat goes your going to get hit (rage), dodge parry (no rage), or block (rage), if you have 50 rage you might as well heroic strike, if you want to be safe you could wait until 70 rage so you get two gcd's before needing another 20 rage but for the most part you'll have tons of rage while tanking.

Deep wounds depends on your weapon, for the herioc weapon from beth it is adding 5% to some tanks dmg for the 353 weapon from za/zg it adds about .05% dmg

And what about Eradication talent? It's even more important than instant bolts, i guess.

@maderthaner
As for talents look Torpy-Barthilas up on the armoury his setup is great for all forms of tanking.

Why would he do that? There's perfectly good examples on the first post, as well as on the FAQ.

In the following post I will say things which I by math can't prove that they're the best thing to do. I will therefor only be sharing experience and what works for me.

I believe that in dungeons, many paladins find that pull aggro is hard to obtain without reforging to hit/exp cap and even then it might be difficult to get with good dpsers(as in doing high dps). Now I'm not saying that all paladins do but since it was several posts about 'pull aggro' and 'ripping aggro' from paladins I thought that this post might come in handy.

Utilize you cds! I use 1 cd per trash pack and try to make sure I save a cd for the boss. I.e. pulling a trash pack with AW, next pack with DP + Inq saving 3 HP at the end if AW won't be off cd til the next pack. I find this working out quite nice and in the few exceptions I'm ready with HoS.


In raids on the other hand the situation is different. You (usually) have a MD/ToT, and you still have bursty tps from your dpsers. Use pots, pre-potting is an excellent way to get ahead in threat.
In our Ragnaros progress raids and most encouters where high dps from the beginning is requiered I pop my cds plus a pot, run in do an AS on the run and then starts 939. I'm watching omen til our other tank taunts off and find myself at a safe 200% - 300% threat.

Using pots for every pull in a dungeon might get expensive so reforging to hit and exp cap is a good way to get the fast threat needed in those pulls without consumables.

I see that it is both your own and your dpsers responsibility to watch the threat, and if you can't keep up with them even with hit/exp cap + cds then you'll have to tell them to wait and they have to be polite enough to do so.

And some might say that it is a sin to reforge from dodge/parry/mastery to hit/exp, yes in a raid it might be where threat should be a non-issue but in heroics this could be the difference between a smooth run and a wipefest.

About not having full CTC some time ago when you started tanking, your healer was able to keep you up anyway with some struggle. You're only reforging away 10-15% avoidance and any decent healer shouldn't have a problem with healing this.

I hope this is some help for some of you that's having trouble with your aggro and if the Dev watercooler changes get implemented threat won't be an issue anymore.

Hot fix's posted about 3 hours ago. Looks like Tps won't be needing much theory crafting anymore.