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Old 09/06/11, 11:27 PM   #27721
tzuisc
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Hi,

Today i make quick dps comparison because I have a new MH (shannox HM, before Ragnaros NH). I checked the logs and even though i have a better MH AND i have a Druid Tank (Mangle +30% Bleed Debuff) my Deep Wounds Ticks are lower than in the Baleroc KIll. In the Baleroc Kill i have 4111 DW ticks avg and in the Ragnaros Kill (New MH and Mangle) only 3750 ticks. i thought with the Druid Tank and the new MH i had ~5500 ticks minimum?

it look like, mangle dont synergie with deep wounds anymore?

There must be something i am missing here?
maybe a buff or a debuff?
Are the ticks more or less Random and the baleroc kill was just luck?
I know that im lacking on Arcane Tactics and 4% Physical Debuff in the ragnaros log, maybe this is the reason?

Maybe someone can say me why my DW ticks dont get buffed, plz

here is the Baleroc Log (with Arcane Tactics and Ravage):
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

and here is the Ragnaros Log (with mangle and better MH):
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

thx in advice and sorry for my bad english

edit: i have found an old report of shannox hm with a druid tank and with my nh weapon and here i get the expected 5k dw ticks: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

maybe its just a ragnaros thing

Last edited by tzuisc : 09/07/11 at 7:35 AM.

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Old 09/07/11, 1:19 AM   #27722
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1431 seems to be the break point I was looking for. I think I will get rid of haste and forge to mastery. See how it feels. I normally get uncomfortable at lower haste levels, but it may be more powerful, while keeping the crit. Thursday night on the non-mastery fights will be a good test.

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Old 09/07/11, 3:20 AM   #27723
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There are two types of spec, both take Lichborne.
4.2 of WoW did not change the DK spec. Mind Freeze does not miss any longer, though, so it's possible 10-man encounters will require more interrupts from the tank than before. The change to a battle rez for 'raise ally' might also make you favour Endless Winter over other choices, in the interests of RP-conservation.WOW Gold, Buy WOW Gold, Cheap WOW Gold at spam.com

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Old 09/07/11, 3:28 AM   #27724
Gobuywow
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thanks a lot. Very useful information although I don't have much wow gold for them

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Old 09/07/11, 7:34 AM   #27725
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Hello. I ignored cleave and whirlwind because the adds didn't get mangle a lot (less than 10% uptime).

Log 1 : 155 crits over 5:19 for 1.20M deep wounds damages = 7k74 per crit
Log 2 : 162 crits over 7:12 for 1.38M deep wounds damages = 8k51 per crit

This is a 10% improvement, 17% once you add up ravage and arcane tactics. And you had higher enrage/deathwish uptimes in log1 while mangle only had a 90% uptime in log2. We're still not at a 30% benefit but, unless your weapon drastically improved your average MH damage, mangle had to be effective. The main factor behind the ticks being lower than your expectations is the longer fight for about the same number of crits, which caused smaller damages buffers (1.9 tick per crit in log1, 2.3 tick per crit in log2).

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Old 09/07/11, 7:41 AM   #27726
tzuisc
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oh yes, youre right, addtional it must be the heavy ae situation without mangle wich drops my dw ticks overall

thx alot

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Old 09/07/11, 7:54 AM   #27727
Fyllbo
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dps

What gives the highest single target dps of 2 x [Obsidium Cleaver] (heroic) or [Sulfuras, The Extinguished Hand] (heroic), assuming I have BiS gear for both options.

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Old 09/07/11, 8:15 AM   #27728
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If you want to do top burst potential to maximise your tps after your taunt you want to try something like:

(Be sure to have a refreshed rend before you taunt, since you don't want to need to do it in the middle of this rotation.)

Shield Block -> Recklessness -> Shield Slam -> revenge ->concussion blow -> battle stance -> collosus smash -> shield slam -> revenge -> shield slam if procced, else shockwave. -> normal 'rotation'

If the first revenge procs shield slam just dance and do CS right then instead of the concussion blow "filler". If you get enough rage from being hit, fit in any HSes you can (usually can do a few).

If that isn't enough burst you can swap to CSing and then taunting and reck + shield block + shield slam for the biggest possible initial hit. But really as others have said you probably want your other tank to hold back a little if you're still losing aggro.

The only fight to be wary of using recklessness is heroic Baleroc currently, nothing else really hurts at all.

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Old 09/07/11, 1:01 PM   #27729
kuntas
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As of lastnight, my guild and i started putting work on heroic domo 25m, i was wondering if i could get some tips and pointers to max my dps as much as possible from others that are currently downing him on a weekly basis, as i understand the fight is all about maxing dpsing and coordination

I'm currently using a heavy mastery set with a howling blast oriented rotation that libretto mentioned and it has proven to be very successful for me but after the attempts lastnight i feel that i need to go back to haste stacking and the normal priority rotation around obliterate.

Kuntas @ Stormreaver - Game - World of Warcraft

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis these are the logs from lastnight first couple ones, we were simply getting a feel of changing him to different phases.

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Old 09/07/11, 1:20 PM   #27730
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Originally Posted by TyrÎon View Post
I need help figuring out a rotation for Prot, doing very little dps, which is proving to be an issue with tank switches, when ill taunt and HS/SS/Revenge, and as soon as my taunt fades, they walk right back to the other tank
Others have given good advice regarding what abilities you should use, but I will also advise that you have your rend and sunder armor stacks up on the target prior to when you need to taunt (so you don't need to waste CDs on them) and also start "banking" rage ahead of time so that after you taunt you have a full rage bar to unload everything you can into the mob (including inner rage'd heroic strikes every 1.5s).

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Old 09/07/11, 10:50 PM   #27731
kmzr
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The Gathecrasher Heroic version for orc rogues , is superior to the Skullcrusher isnt it? just want to confirm it.

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Old 09/08/11, 2:21 AM   #27732
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Originally Posted by Davuron View Post
Hey All,

I've been Main Tanking since Cata was released and now am moving into more of a DPS role. Any advice you could give would be really appreciated.

Wowhead Profile: Davuron

Armoy: Davuron

World of Logs: Baleroc

I'm not using any UI mods but I am using the latest version of CLCRET and DBM. This is for Baleroc as I thought that would be a better view of my dps rotation and not of my movement skills.

Thanks again.
Hey Davuron,

First you should log out with your Ret gear equipped.
Second I think it is better to not use CLCRET. You can become to dependent on this Addon, also you will know the "when to use which spell" after a short time yourself.
Addons like PowerAuras or ClassTimer a wiser choices. These addons only improve your ability to track certain buffs you have, but not tell you what to do.

Obviously we cannot judge about your damage, because we do not know your equip.
You should use your Hammer more often WoL says that you casted 3 times AW and only 6 Hammers thrown.

But I have 2 advises for specc and glyphs for you:

Put the 2 points in Acts of Sacrifice into Eye for an Eye.
For glyphs you should switch Rebuke with Divine Protection and, depending on the fight, Ascetic Defender with Holy Wrath. Holy Wrath is golden for Transitions Phases in the Ragnaros encounter.

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Old 09/08/11, 6:55 AM   #27733
Hakan
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Hello everyone, I currently have a question on feral dps talent trees. I wish to pick the best possible tree for pve dps, and am unsure which is truly the best. I've looked over this guide, along with other feral druid users and am still unsure which would be the best. Can anyone help me please? Thanks!

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Old 09/08/11, 12:22 PM   #27734
Sepultura
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Originally Posted by TyrÎon View Post
I need help figuring out a rotation for Prot, doing very little dps, which is proving to be an issue with tank switches, when ill taunt and HS/SS/Revenge, and as soon as my taunt fades, they walk right back to the other tank
I think you need talk with the other tank. Even if you doing something wrong he cant agro back or he will ruin the reason why you taunted at 1st place.
I think the way is this and not pop reckleness and other cds that arent realy necessary.

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Old 09/08/11, 8:06 PM   #27735
tzuisc
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But you can Heroic leap in youre free gcd

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