With H-EoP as our new BiS MH (with H gate off) I'm a little unclear on how our priorities change. I presume our LL is still king with SS on CD as well, but how exactly are we suppoesd to work in Lava burst now. And won't using that consume MW proc buildups that we would use for LBs (thereby getting fewer of those). Does anything really change from what we're used to?

I'll have to see it in practice a few times to understand it I'm sure as it hasn't dropped for me yet, but I guess this will make UE, LB, FS/ES, lightning shield shock, and searing totem/totem tick effect move up considerably in the damage breakdown.

Yesterday I got myself the heroic helmet from Lord Ryolith and I was thinking is it worth skipping the 4p bonus and just stick with the gloves and shoulders from the set and having legs, helmet and chest (the off-set pieces) from heroic. That way I can pass 2.6k haste with no problem while being exp capped and having aroud 930+ hit. Any ideas?

Not really sure anymore. sry!

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No, silly, there is logs for that and they prove everything.

Outdated excuse about RNG. /yawn
Tier ater tier you will see same people populating WoL Top20, it is not because RNG loves them, it's because they know how to play their class to 100%.

200 pulls of Rag is enough to try everything and yes, "stack all" method produces best result and it's the only way I can climb to 2nd spot sometimes (after legendary mage) and stay in Top5 before first sons phase.

And no, I'm saying it's better because I have logs to prove it. You don't.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Not sure whats prompting the animosity and rude undertone, but just because your linking logs to the top 5 parses on Baleroc still doesnt prove anything. Sure, it does hint at the "stack all" method as producing good results, but that was never in question. It is the main reason that most people use the method. If you think I'd come here blabbing my mouth on baseless assumptions your sorely mistaken. Instead of linking logs to top rets parses, I prefer to speak with them, and the general consensus is that its too close to call, especially while basing it on your best logs. A good majority of the people I have spoken to haven't really deviated from the normal stack method, which is why I originally brought this up for discussion. That is exactly what I intend to do......discuss, not link the top 5 parses for a fight and say, "See.....its how they are doing it."

Your comment about RNG being an outdated excuse as far as top ranked parses goes hints that I was trying to imply that the people who consistently rank there are lucky. That is not what I implied, but instead was commenting strictly on how a few parses from one fight do not show the full picture as far as the opening set of cds go. As far as me not having logs to "prove it" goes, I can link logs just as easily as you did. I just opt not to paste peoples names on these forums and use it as basis. Again, I would truthfully love to be stand corrected by ways of true theorycraft.

This discussion is starting to turn into nothing constructive. I am going to bow out until someone with some math can chime in. I am not on some crusade to tell every paladin out there doing it differently than me that they are doing it wrong, but would like to figure out the actual difference between using the two methods of cooldown usage.

Nitpicking though it may be I seem to recall that equipping both the heroic and normal versions was possible during Trial of the Crusader. Obviously completely pointless information at current but I felt compelled to mention it nonetheless.

i was just wondering i have saw alotof dks with diffrent gems some are gemming for resiliance witch i suspect is purley pvp based areanas but rbg thier gemming strength for a all round pvper what is the best gems is it the infernal ruby maxing out as mutch s as poss or the amber topaz for resiliance /or is it haste either way whats the diffrence if you please guys bit of a noob question but if we dont ask we dont no eh

You see the same people because they are in progressed guilds that kill bosses quicker (kill time is a huge factor making your parse look better), and they have access to high level gear well before general population. WoL is a great tool to analyze your play, but I wouldn't use the logic that higher dps always means better player. Heroic Sulfuras and a slew of 391's is going to make an above average Ret paladin look like a beast on the charts, but it doesn't mean they are automatically a great player or that they have a deep understanding of the class.

I wouldn't think that it's all about progression guilds and gear either.

Say, Kaisen is #52 world paladin by gear from 6/7H guild.
Now, there is some dude named Nerli, who is #2 world paladin by gear from a 7/7H guild.

Take a guess who does better dps. Kaisen is on first page, usually close to the top for every FL boss. For Nerli you have to scroll couple pages and couple Ks below.