Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1868

kow · 10/11/11, 4:02 PM

Originally Posted by Hinenuitepo

A related query I've had is whether there is any point at which haste 'soft cap' as has been bandied about lately

Where has this happened? I see some discussion on inflection points at 66% and 122% (I assume that's supposed to be 132%?), but I'm not sure I understand the mechanics behind haste losing value after these points - the whole point of the buffer rune instead of independent runes was that you have a grace period where you aren't losing dps while your runes are up.

thumper242 · 10/11/11, 4:26 PM

Originally Posted by VRoscioli

It's still there. It just hasn't had a post in over a month, so it won't display under the default options. At the bottom of the page (when looking at the list of threads), change the "From The" field to something longer than "Last Month".

Thank you!

thelordymir · 10/11/11, 5:28 PM

Originally Posted by nathanrael

Lastly, just curious, but why exactly would Apparatus be giving you a mastery proc instead of a haste proc, assuming you're following normal stat priorities?

I honestly don't know why I assumed that, it was only due to having only pvp'd as DW Frost and Mastery being the top stat at that point. Do you think it's beneficial to swap out regular Heart of Rage for another on use? As I think the expertise is more a benefit unless I reforge the Essence to Expertise, which I think might offset the drop.

rogard · 10/11/11, 5:42 PM

The arguments around these have been so confusing that now at this point its hard to make heads or tales around these. i have played a warrior for almost 6 years as my first toon and I have begun to dive further into improving his raid efficency but trying to get the exact science I have always gone by trial and error. What would be nice is to actually have a straight forward layout of what are the numbers to reach and what to add in and what to take away. I play my toon very well but i would love to be able to learn how to tweak him better. Sadly with my career I dont have time to dive in like some do and I am impressed by the work that you all have done. Is there any way to break this down into some basic rules like these are your target avoidance numbers you want to reach. Or a simple math formula that can be used to help truly see where you're at. Are we allowed to post a armory link to our toons to see what people think of how your spec'd and get peeps thoughts on what they might change?

Rogard - Where there is a will there is a way!

Hinenuitepo · 10/11/11, 6:44 PM

Originally Posted by nathanrael

Crushing Weight (normal) is the weakest of your three potential trinkets. Essence of the Eternal Flame reforged to haste and lined up with Raise Dead/Pillar of Frost is an excellent boost to burst DPS; I can understand not wanting to run two on-use trinkets (matter of personal preference), though they're still both excellent choices. In short, EotEF and AoK have superior EVs than Crushing Weight.

Lastly, just curious, but why exactly would Apparatus be giving you a mastery proc instead of a haste proc, assuming you're following normal stat priorities?

Additionally, I'm curious as to why you aren't using LtS, as it's (probably) better than all three of these. Personally, I prefer the EotEF and LtS, but you certainly could use AoK with LtS - which would probably be better than any combination of the three you mention above.

thelordymir · 10/11/11, 7:17 PM

Originally Posted by Hinenuitepo

Additionally, I'm curious as to why you aren't using LtS, as it's (probably) better than all three of these. Personally, I prefer the EotEF and LtS, but you certainly could use AoK with LtS - which would probably be better than any combination of the three you mention above.

I always thought it was the general rule to avoid +hit trinkets if you didn't need any of the hit on them, maybe I am mistaken on that though. With only a few reforges I can hit the cap on hit pretty easily so with the trinket I think I would be far far over and even after reforging off hit to haste it would still be over cap by a good deal. I could undo reforges on the gear to make the trinket better though.

lion33rd · 10/11/11, 7:45 PM

can any1 give me right basic rotation for tanking pally and for the mobs i need tip too for survival if the grp almost get wiped. other stuff for tanking plss pm me

Stardance · 10/11/11, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by Zalinda

Getting back to delukz' question

(major part of discussion edited out for this reply -- good remarks, though!)

Being over the cap in anything can sometimes be a good thing if a certain mob mechanic reduces your abilities.
A mob doing a stat reduction could change things, as you loose Str (parry) and agi (dodge).
There have also been mobs with a higher-than-normal chance to hit.
I'm not sure if either of the above occurs in Cata instances/raids.
In any case it has in the past sometimes been beneficial to be slightly over cap, I'm unsure if such cases exist in Cataclysm content.

According to a Blue Post quoted on 2011-05-24 in post #13 of the "Paladin Blue Posts and Hotfixes" thread:

"Dodge: Death Knights, paladins, and warriors no longer receive any bonus to their chance to dodge from Agility. Their base chance to dodge is now a fixed 5%."

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Demes · 10/11/11, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by rogard

The arguments around these have been so confusing that now at this point its hard to make heads or tales around these. i have played a warrior for almost 6 years as my first toon and I have begun to dive further into improving his raid efficency but trying to get the exact science I have always gone by trial and error. What would be nice is to actually have a straight forward layout of what are the numbers to reach and what to add in and what to take away. I play my toon very well but i would love to be able to learn how to tweak him better. Sadly with my career I dont have time to dive in like some do and I am impressed by the work that you all have done. Is there any way to break this down into some basic rules like these are your target avoidance numbers you want to reach. Or a simple math formula that can be used to help truly see where you're at. Are we allowed to post a armory link to our toons to see what people think of how your spec'd and get peeps thoughts on what they might change?

Rogard - Where there is a will there is a way!

With the threat buff, expertise isnt all that important stat. Only fights where I'd say it might have a significant impact would be alysrazor and heroic ragnaros if you're struggling with p3 DPS.

So assuming that Rogard@Ghostlands is your warrior, you might want to replace that armor meta with block meta, and expertise-stamina, +60stam and that mastery-stamina gem in your helmet with parry-mastery, mastery-stamina and +40 mastery gems, reforge that expertise in your neck and belt into dodge, and undo all those expertise reforges.
Also, speccing out of Blitz and Battle trance and going 3/3 deep wounds and possibly putting that last point into blood craze might be a good idea.

Your dodge and parry seem to be well balanced. You should use Lavawalker enchant in boots for runspeed.

Of course this is only my personal opinion how I'd set your gear.

ZeusKOTG · 10/12/11, 1:42 AM

With some of the recent changes to the 4.3 Frost BiS trinket list. I have been beating my head against a brick wall for the last couple of raids trying to find the best combo of trinkets from what I have. I have vessel, heart of rage(n), EotEF, LtS. Which of the four makes the most sense to use?

rogard · 10/12/11, 2:52 AM

So your saying drop my Expertise to nothing basically just what I get from gear naturally. Wow that seems so foriegn to me since I feel like my threat gen suffers everytime I have tried that and croud control is difficult on large groups. That gives a larger chance to all my targets for me to miss them. I thought the 781 expertise was still critical with threat and control? I know hit has taken a dive fromthe old 8% for taunts but to toss out expertise to me seems so foriegn. Lucky enough I got my 4 peice bonus tonight so now I have some better numbers so I decided to pull all my red into Parry gems and Yellow into Mastery and my 3 blue into stam but from what you are saying I should combo these reds possible to parry mastery? I see your point on the lava walker that could really help since I feel slow sometimes when need to move out of things like in the Rag fight. Good point though on the retalent I just always thought a bonus to my damage to my sheild slams was good to have but really since I have such a small crit anyway it doesnt really matter just constant damge is more import in threat gen. Hmm I will have to see this now.

krekot · 10/12/11, 7:48 AM

I'm want ask you what gems use for avoidance tanking.

KaanHK · 10/12/11, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by krekot

I'm want ask you what gems use for avoidance tanking.

.../facepalm

Juweel · 10/12/11, 12:21 PM

I'm probably the only one, but all the abbreviations in the text make it very hard for me to read it. I like the list wich explains it all but still, nocando, scrolling back and forth. My memory aint that great, so i cant remember them all. And i'm Dutch, so english is not my mother language, wich makes itharder to read for me.

Aint there programs wich can automaticaly make those abbreviations in full words? Easier to type,easier to read.
Just anidea. Further..great site! Keep going!

Contender · 10/12/11, 1:22 PM

Afternoon

I seem to be having issues with DPSing with this class as of late. Seems as i get better gear, my DPS gets lower. I know that's not the case, but I just can't seem to shake this feeling that I am doing something wrong somewhere. So i hope i can speak with some of you about fixing this drought. Listed below are my armory, log fight from lastnight and raidbots' comparison tool. ** Please note i know time killed and such plays a role. 9/6 was EoEE and 10/11 was AoK.

Armory:-Contender @ Kirin Tor - Game - World of Warcraft

WOL(9/6/11):-World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

WOL(10/11/11):-World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

25H Shannox:- Contender - Epeen Bot - RaidBots - Web Tools for WoW Nerds

Thanks, Contender.