Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1869

molivoppy · 10/12/11, 3:19 PM

adrsol · 10/12/11, 4:02 PM

Originally Posted by rogard

So your saying drop my Expertise to nothing basically just what I get from gear naturally. Wow that seems so foriegn to me since I feel like my threat gen suffers everytime I have tried that and croud control is difficult on large groups. That gives a larger chance to all my targets for me to miss them. I thought the 781 expertise was still critical with threat and control? I know hit has taken a dive fromthe old 8% for taunts but to toss out expertise to me seems so foriegn. Lucky enough I got my 4 peice bonus tonight so now I have some better numbers so I decided to pull all my red into Parry gems and Yellow into Mastery and my 3 blue into stam but from what you are saying I should combo these reds possible to parry mastery? I see your point on the lava walker that could really help since I feel slow sometimes when need to move out of things like in the Rag fight. Good point though on the retalent I just always thought a bonus to my damage to my sheild slams was good to have but really since I have such a small crit anyway it doesnt really matter just constant damge is more import in threat gen. Hmm I will have to see this now.

Expertise shouldnt affect your threat in large packs, TC can't be dodged/parried and rend will reapply even if TC missed. Besides that nothing is what it used to be, drop expertise to the minimum remaining from reforging it out, don't get stam until you're CTC, not including 4pc bonus.
If your threat is suffering you must be doing something wrong. As someone said before, Alysrazor and Rag both HC, are the only bosses that might require you to increase your dps by expertise, and the hatchlings are lvl 87, you only need 24 exp cap, but even less than that is ok, I go up to 18-20 by trinket mostly and I'm doing fine.
BTW does anyone has the exact number at which dodge and parry start suffering from DR?

Hinenuitepo · 10/12/11, 4:35 PM

thelordymir you make a good point; if you can't dump your hit, then too much extra would significantly devalue LtS. It does depend on what other gear you have in general, and I've been walking the line while reforging out of hit on every item possible as well.

As to Azz' question, I am a big fan of lining up the buffs, which is more difficult but not impossible with Apparatus and hence why I preferred Essence. Probably VoA or HoR with EotEF would be my choice.

Once you start clearing more than one or two heroic bosses, you'll start to see more firestones. It's been a few weeks since we haven't seen one.
On the other hand, There's NO way I'd use my firestone on Apparatus when using it on a Cleaver is so much more of a dps upgrade: get two, upgrade your weapons, and then re-evaluate where you're at with trinkets at that point (hint: probably won't happen).

zuyx · 10/12/11, 9:12 PM

What kind of weapons are best for combat?

I haven't played since BC and back then swords with speeds slow mh and fast oh were best. Not sure anymore

sneep · 10/13/11, 2:30 AM

Hello!
First of all I'm sorry if this question was already answered on this forums, but I can't find it.

Can anyone tell me where I can find a BiS items list?
Thank you and have a good day!

Astharan · 10/13/11, 9:17 AM

Originally Posted by Ragnar9000

You can also throw your weapon during the charge, and/or pop retaliation or recklessness as you are moving towards the boss. And you could also put some responsibility on the dps to wait 3 to 5 seconds.

Yes, I always cast Heroic Throw and Charge in, regarding expertise last night I got Renataki's Soul Slicer - Game - World of Warcraft in ZG and I fell in love! =P As soon as I start raiding I'll tell you if expertise is killing me or not. Thanks.

Delboy · 10/13/11, 11:01 AM

Thanks for the guidance Jessamy, i've really wondered how it all stacked together. Yes Im obviously looking to see at what stage my LVB's hit 1s for the GCD but i was also curious about the effects of EM and BL on it to. If i've understood your maths it would be like this (Feel free to disagree):

5% Totem	  	  	  	  1.0500	
1% Goblin Racial	  	   	  1.0100	
Haste Stats (21.13%)	  	  	  1.2113	
	  	  	  	  	  1.2846	
		
LB Base Cast Time		  	  1.5000	
LB New Cast Time		  	  1.1677	Calc is (1.5 * (100 / 128.46))
		
		
Buffs inc 20% Elemental Mastery		  1.5415	
Buffs inc 30% Bloodlust + EM		  2.0040	
		
LB New Cast Time with EM		  0.9731	
LB New Cast Time with EM + BL		  0.7485

Sarafan · 10/13/11, 12:11 PM

Is it a dps gain to die and instantly ankh? Dying resets the potion-cd and clears your sated Debuff.
Would be nice if anyone is able to model this.

(sry for bad english, not a native speaker)

Medvayne · 10/13/11, 3:07 PM

Ok, so this is kind of a wierd question I guess. Oddly enough I play PvE as Destro because the affliction locks on my server with better gear than I have are running lesser dps than I am. This is true pretty much across the board. I recently xferred servers and on my old server, there was one aff warlock that could out dps me. I was in full 359's except for a ring(353) and a trinket(346), while the other affliction warlock was in just about as many 372 (heroic T11) gear as you could get. So here's the deal, as destro in my current gear (avg ilvl 364.9 according to altoholic) I'm running roughly 23-24k dps. I've tried running affliction and can never get within 2k of that.

I've been reading up on EJ forums for awhile now as a non-member, and I've read in so many posts that aff>demo>destro. But I'm not sure if it's true. Am i doing something wrong if I'm pulling 19-20k as affliction in the same gear? Do all of the affliction locks that I've encountered up until this point just suck? Let's say i was in full 378's with no heroic or legendary gear, what kind of dps should I be running as affliction?

Not to toot my own horn here, but the questions that I keep asking myself is, "am i just that good at destro, that I destroy affliction warlocks, even tho they are supposed to be better?" or "if this is the dps i'm getting as destro, what kind of dps could i get as affliction?" After trying affliction in PvE (b/c that's all i use in pvp) and not attaining the same results as destro, I've come to a conclustion that may be false -- "destro is better than affliction... as long as you know what the hell you are doing and you are pretty pro at it." So i guess, now that i've come across as a pompous jerk in regards to my destro skills, I'll let you decide based upon the #'s that I gave you whether I should just keep trucking with destro or go affliction and apply changes that you might suggest.

Eph · 10/13/11, 3:20 PM

Destruction played well is better than Affliction played poorly.

Guides and threads on EJ assume that anyone can play any spec well so the specs with the highest realistic potential are considered superior. Destruction doesn't measure up to Affliction and Demonology at the moment. Learning and becoming comfortable with Affliction will grant you higher DPS.

Rexak · 10/13/11, 3:46 PM

Hopefully with the new tier in 4.3, we will still be in the same position as today, as one of the top melee classes.

Medvayne · 10/13/11, 4:32 PM

Ok, so I am thinking about rolling demo as a secondary spec then. But I am reading conflicting ideas about stat priorities. In the EJ forums it says that mastery has a higher weight than haste, but I'm reading everywhere else the opposite. Could someone clarify? When I get home today, I am planning on setting up my toon

Rascal · 10/13/11, 5:31 PM

This may already be somewhere in the forum but last night I realized as a rogue for heroic rag in p4 if you are doing deluge and you are mut or have the move speed increase from stealth once you are in the bubble from deluge you can vanish and will remain vanished greatly increasing your ms and allowing you to really get to the flames much more quickly. It really helped my guild and figured I would post it.

Basso · 10/13/11, 5:37 PM

MMO-Champion has Datamined some more then only the Str buff.

Unholy
Death Coil now scales from 23% of Attack Power, down from 30%.
Unholy Might now increases Strength by 25%, up from 20%.

MMO-Champion - Patch 4.3 - PTR Build 14849
Buff us an nerv us in the same breath yeah.I hope its still enough to get onpair with frost, i tired of the rng, i prefer unholy much more.

netsach · 10/13/11, 7:05 PM

It would be better for you to get used to play demonology, because you have to be able to provide the 10% spell buff if noone else in your raid does provide it : Raidwide dps/heal buff is much more important than a little more personnal dps... + it's an aoe spec. So whatever you personnal preference for a mainspec is, go with demo available in your pocket.