Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1870

Calumnus · 10/13/11, 10:27 PM

there is a post in the dps forums about your 2nd paragraph. They also came out with the same math. Problem is how much dps do we sacrifice for the glyph. Oh well...

Ninja Edit: why do my posts take up so much space?

Shaamah · 10/14/11, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by Calumnus

From the PTR: Item - Shaman T12 Elemental 2P Bonus: Your damaging spells have a 30% chance to reduce the remaining cooldown on your Fire Elemental Totem by 4 sec.

I guess this is their way to make us not use the 2 piece in deathwing raiding...

Let's hope these changes don't go through without some form of compensation as, with the flat melee buff and few nerfs to other competitive specs, we could look comparatively in worse shape than ever this expansion.

Apologies for seeming uninformed but I am trying to fully grasp this spec as quickly as possible. I am still having some difficulty getting any solid information on "cleaving" scenarios as elem. After checking several of the top elemental parses for Majordomo Hc, I see none of the top elems using chain lightning. Based on DPCT and the additional chance for mastery procs, assuming its not used recklessly until OOM, it should be a dps increase over lightning bolt. Why is it therefor unused?

Likewise flameshock uptime on multiple targets for increased surge procs i'd assume would be beneficial but isn't covered in any of the major elem resources.

Paranoic · 10/14/11, 4:41 AM

Hey all . I got a small dilemma about some gear changes . The thing is I have/had tier chest and legs ( 378 ) and i got legs from bethilac hc and chest from baleroc hc . What im interrested in is am i losing too much if i have no 2 set bonus from tier ( again its 378 tier ) ? I mean with those 2 new items i only have like 1 tier piece on ( hands also 378 ) . I just could not get tier head/shoulders for 4 set bonus .

Cinderweb Leggings - Item - World of Warcraft

Breastplate of the Incendiary Soul - Item - World of Warcraft

^^^^^^ those two i got ^^^^^^^^

thelordymir · 10/14/11, 11:17 AM

Running into a conundrum currently in terms of gearing. I'm currently wearing Breastplate of Shifting Visions and T12 helm..but my guild is capable of killing heroic Alys, leaving me with the choice of getting Heroic T12 chest + heroic Helm of Voracious Maw. That would be a 104str increase before secondary stats are concerned, reforging off the crit from the chest+helm into haste would probably only leave me a little lower for haste then what I have now, though I have a lot of haste anyways currently.

If my guild was capable of killing heroic Domo right now I would just consider getting the heroic Shifting Visions and keep the tier helm, even though I know we'll never beat heroic Rag, but we currently stand no chance as we have a lot of weight we're carrying who can't muster up the dps to down Domo.

Any opinions on this choice im considering?

pokobbaby1 · 10/14/11, 11:31 AM

i just wanted to let you know of a new mod on curse called zombie. imo it is awesome

EwokChilli · 10/14/11, 1:00 PM

Vessel is 406 str and up to 410 crit. These values are pretty static due to quick ramp up time. This trinket cannot be reforged to be anything but strength and crit.

Heart is 321 exp and between 1926 (~20 second fight) and down to 385 strength (~100 second fight). It will almost always give you significantly more than 385 strength unless your fight ends just before it procs again.

EotEF is 383 mastery and between 1277 (15 second fight) and down to 319 strength (60 second fight). Because of it ALWAYS being lined up with PoF it sims at minimum 383 strength and will be slightly more unless the fight ends just before it comes off CD.

LTS is 321 hit and up to 380 strength. These are pretty close to static, due to quick ramp up time.

HoR and LtS are pretty hard to go wrong with. EotEF has always been a dps loss for me compared to either HoR or LtS and I'm confidant that Vessel also will pull away from it over the course of a fight without much difficulty. This statement is personal anecdotal evidence. HoR has always been a winner to me compared to Apparatus(N), LtS, and especially compared to EotEF. EotEF with PoF 100% combined is only just as good as HoR with 0% overlap with PoF.

Edit: Fixed a terrible math error.

Paxtez · 10/14/11, 2:46 PM

There has been a lot of discussion recently about trinkets, the frost OP lists the DMC behind the heroic trinkets (for dw) is that still accurate? I am currently using LTS and DMC, I could get AoK and I almost have enough rep for EoEF. HoR just isn't dropping for me. I am way over on hit.

Paxith @ Malfurion - Game - World of Warcraft

Ceribris · 10/14/11, 10:24 PM

Hello i was wondering if you guys if you have not already post how Eviscerate and rupture scale of for combat with attack power and crit.

Krab� t · 10/15/11, 4:17 AM

[nonsense plz delete]

Fizwawiz · 10/15/11, 9:06 AM

Hoping some of you guys can clear a few things up, my character is Weavel on Tortheldrin if youd like to check em out. So anyway, im confused as to what stats overpower others, from what ive understood (were talkoing feral bear tanking only, i dont do cat) the stats go as follows, agi>dodge>stam=hit/exp (need thoose obviously). so with that said, do we not get ANY mastery or what, ive had a few friends tell me that i need a little mastery, but that dooesnt really make that much sense to me.

my second question is about trinkets, and i guess the only true answer would be to test out all the numbers, but currently i have these: Fluid death, Brawler's trophy, vial of stolen memories(random from the others, although it has a nice dodge clicky), and tia's grace. im confused as to which is better, currently im using brawlers and fluid death, but would using both tia's and fluid for the constant agility be better or... please any input would be helpful

Fizwawiz · 10/15/11, 2:29 PM

Hoping some of you guys can clear a few things up, my character is Weavel on Tortheldrin if you would like to check him out. So anyway, I'm confused as to what stats overpower others, from what i have understood (were talking feral bear tanking only, i don't do cat form) the stats go as follows, agility>dodge>stamina and of course hit/exp (need thoose obviously). So with that said, do we not get ANY mastery or what, i have had a few friends tell me that i need a little mastery , but that doesn't really make that much sense to me.

My second question is about trinkets, and i guess the only true answer would be to test out all the numbers, but currently i have these: Fluid Death, Brawler's Trophy, Vial of Stolen Memories and Tia's Grace. I'm confused as to which is better, currently I'm using Brawler's Trophy and Fluid Death, but would using both Tia's Grace and Fluid Death for the constant agility be better or... Please any input would be helpful!

One last question, does anyone know how to use SimulationCraft for feral bear tanks, I changed my role to tank and my position to front, but the program only says things about feral cat upon simulation.

TheQwertiest · 10/16/11, 8:31 AM

I'm glad that Blizz finally managed to make all the specs to be on the same DPS level (imo 1k dps difference won't make much a dufference, as specifics of the boss encounter (e.g. moving, countering adds/special abilities and etc) will negate it).

What I'm concerned about is DPS scaling with stats. As it is now demo scales better than other specs. Which may lead to a further increase of DPS gap in 4.3 with T13 level gear :\ I hope that I'm wrong though, coz I dont like demo very much =)

[EDIT]: Funny thing that destro's DPS timeline stayed exactly the same just with bigger numbers

lanthalios · 10/16/11, 3:33 PM

Originally Posted by thelordymir

Running into a conundrum currently in terms of gearing. I'm currently wearing Breastplate of Shifting Visions and T12 helm..but my guild is capable of killing heroic Alys, leaving me with the choice of getting Heroic T12 chest + heroic Helm of Voracious Maw. That would be a 104str increase before secondary stats are concerned, reforging off the crit from the chest+helm into haste would probably only leave me a little lower for haste then what I have now, though I have a lot of haste anyways currently.

If my guild was capable of killing heroic Domo right now I would just consider getting the heroic Shifting Visions and keep the tier helm, even though I know we'll never beat heroic Rag, but we currently stand no chance as we have a lot of weight we're carrying who can't muster up the dps to down Domo.

Any opinions on this choice im considering?

Actually if your guild can down Heroic alysrazor, then Heroic domo is cake. I personally would stick with your combo. Heroic domo is way easier on healers and is cake for melee with the buff you get.

As to the others, firestone upgrades to the weapons is a must before using it for anything else.

ragecat · 10/16/11, 9:51 PM

Hi, im a feralcat and when i used the elitistjerk's rawr it said i should have sustained dps of 27k - i got mostly firelands gear but some i do share with my brodha bear

- but frankly, im only doing about 20-21k on heroic dummy and about 21-22k in firelands on bosses that requires only one tank.

I guess my item level is about 385 and i know and have known how the rotation works etc and it always does - im just confused why i dont get the numbers rawr says should be doable?

Also world of logs shows people with rather insane dps so i guess it should be doable after all?

How?

Lindalcron · 10/17/11, 5:24 AM

Use RAWR. Use the "overall" build. Optimize with what you currently own. Then create an upgrade list. This seems to be affective enough for normal raids.

Sometimes the PVP gear is better and will remain better until you go into heroics. Sometimes not. The answer is different per slot rather than full suit though and highly depends on where you are coming from.

However, it is much faster to gear yourself from normal non-Fireland raids to normal Fireland raids by picking up the honor season 10 gear and weapons. There aren't any honor caps like there are for valor.

I'm the 14th "best geared" alliance bear on my server per wow-heroes and I have a mixed bag of pvp/pve gear basically picking up the easiest and replacing as I go. PVP gear is the easiest (aka quickest) to get, especially if you have a guild that can do rated battlegrounds with reasonable odds of winning once in awhile.

But, be warned that most raids won't pick up a pug wearing almost all PVP gear. I get into arguments left and right with non-bear tanks and the simple fact is that non-bear tanks need more stats than bears do, so they need the extra stat that replaces resilience more than we do. I get tired of arguing about it, I just use RAWR and see if my healers complain, if they don't, then I'm good to go.