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Old 12/17/11, 7:30 PM   #28576
Tyir
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Hunter
 
Shandris
so the survival section seems slow, so im gonna add some of my input on various things that popped up for 4.3

With the 2pc, i find haste a lot less useful. i figure more focus = less cobra = more arcane. more mastery would increase damage on both, haste would mean more cobras, which we will need less of due to the 2pc. basically it seems logical to prefer mastery over haste, with crit still being the best after hit cap. unfortunately for my gear i cannot reforge to lower hastes due to all the haste on gear.

hunter BiS that should be bought right away will be the necklace and ring from valor. wrist and belt drop in raid, you will use the valor ring until MoP, and unless you killed heroic rag, you will use the valor necklace until MoP. The BiS cloak is FL heroic from rhyolith, mainly due to the extra socket compared to the valor cloak. i havent tested, but im pretty sure the stacking agility trinket and the agility trinket with the physical damage proc will be the BiS.

now spec discussion: with a lot of add fights being introduced in heroic modes, i feel that taking 1 out of sic em and adding 1 back into careful aim will be beneficial. with the increase crit rates you will proc sic em more than last tier, and with just 1 in careful aim with increased crit rates, you should come closer to 100% crit without having to devote 2 talent points into it.

since your pet wont get as much focus as normal, 1 in shark attack and 1 in wild hunt looks to be beneficial with the suggested build. i ran this for madness (since it has a lot of adds) and managed 53k on 10 man.
(im angry our GM did not record logs, so very angry, and sad) imma run some different builds/pet builds with this to find some more results.

also i would like to see more activity for SV, lets start running those simulators more often, ill contribute more myself as well.

Last edited by Tyir : 12/17/11 at 8:08 PM.

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Old 12/17/11, 11:12 PM   #28577
angaroth
Piston Honda
 
Undead Warlock
 
Twisting Nether
** to be ignored - didn't do math to support my supposition **

Last edited by angaroth : 12/17/11 at 11:15 PM. Reason: didn't do math to support my supposition

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Old 12/18/11, 2:54 AM   #28578
Kiyaan
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Earthen Ring
Originally Posted by Celebrim View Post
Is Shadowcraft modelling Kiroptyric Sigil correctly?
I believe it still incorrectly has the 60 sec CD.

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Old 12/18/11, 5:09 AM   #28579
Edvard
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warrior
 
Drak'thul (EU)
Hi guys, i have 4st bonnus t13, and i have been traying proc of the bonnus. 6% colossus smash, after 5m dps on dummy i get just 4x times this proc. And if i use own Colossus s. i stack sunder armor, but if i get proc from 4th set bonus the stack dont refresh, and sometimes happened, that the stacks sunders on dummy can drop, cos when the 4th bonus is active is worst use own Colossus s. My question is, its rly better get 4th set bonnus, or no. I am SMF fury.
(sorry for my engl.)

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Old 12/18/11, 7:10 AM   #28580
jokah190286
Glass Joe
 
Worgen Hunter
 
Blackrock (EU)
Crackin` the 25k DPS w/o CD´s

Hey Guys,

since i`ve been reading this forum for such a while now (btw its awesome u mean a lot to the game) i decided to register and ask more specific questions.

Bawzdawg @ Blackrock - Spiel - World of Warcraft

This is my Hunter Bawzdawg and I want to ask u guys is it possible to do more than 22-23k DPS w/o cooldowns during a static fight like ultraxion or patchwork with my current gear / talent setup?

I cant crack it, well i start with using RF/CotW spamming AI`s n keep Imp. SS up, after RF runs out readyness and repeat (if boss is under 90% i add SerpentSting and keep it refreshed via CS.
Then switching to normal Prio keeping Imp SS up refreshing Serpentsting (CS, focus dump (2-3AS or AI Proc + 1-2 AS) capping focus, CS is off cd then repeat)

Im just curious if i should be above 22-23k consatnt dps, well with CD´s + BL im at 35-37k dps raidbuffed, well when theres a frostknight the 10% haste make me go crazy it pushes but those numbers postet above are w/o a Frost DK in grp.

Sry for my strange english iam german so nvm the mistakes in grammar or w/e

Hope to see some answers soon

Thans tho

Last edited by jokah190286 : 12/18/11 at 7:19 AM.

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Old 12/18/11, 9:24 AM   #28581
Tyir
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Hunter
 
Shandris
Originally Posted by Lilbitters View Post
I just wanted to point out that the while the BiS ring is obviously [Signet of Grasping Mouths], the second BiS ring is actually [Seal of Primordial Shadow] even though it has expertise instead of the valor ring, 397 [Emergency Descent Loop], once you are able to get heroic mode versions. I've seen several others forgetting about this ring and unless your raid happens to have a lot of other rogues, feral druids, and enhancement shaman, hunters will still be able to get them (albeit they should still wait til the other classes got them first for overall raid dps as part of the itemization is still wasted on a hunter).

Going from 397 [Emergency Descent Loop] to Heroic [Seal of Primordial Shadow]: (assuming using [Delicate Queen's Garnet] in both)

+45 Agility
+52 Mastery
+73 Reforged Stat (Hit, Crit, Haste)
-184 Haste

Which ends up still being a significant gain, at the least gaining 45 Agility and 52 Mastery at the loss of 111 Haste.
very very nice, i overlooked it due to the expertise. nice point out for correcting me. as you said it will be 2nd BiS, the major issue is hunters will have to be in the back of the line to get this, since it should be prioritized to rogues/ferals/enhance.

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Old 12/18/11, 12:27 PM   #28582
KoB
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Bronzebeard (EU)
Wrong stats on Axe of the Tauren Chiefstains

Hit in spreadsheet 121 real stats 232

[Axe of the Tauren Chieftains]
Ive used u spreadsheet alot thx for u hard work Landsoul

KoB

Last edited by KoB : 12/18/11 at 12:30 PM. Reason: show wrong realm im on Frostmane

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Old 12/18/11, 12:51 PM   #28583
Viriathus
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Frostmane (EU)
Hello Gentleman,

What do you think its better? The lfr set and its 4 piece bonus or the gear from vp but no bonus?

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Old 12/18/11, 12:58 PM   #28584
Dideldidumm
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Priest
 
Gilneas (EU)
Sorry

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Old 12/18/11, 6:08 PM   #28585
Rhagnor
Glass Joe
 
Orc Hunter
 
Aggra (EU)
Haste

Just noticed something really strange on my FD settings, my haste per budget its higher than agi and crit (am playing as SV).



Did i miss anything or this is normal to happen?

FD settings:
Zeherah's Hunter DPS Analyzer

Armory:
Rhagnor @ Aggra (Português) - Game - World of Warcraft


Thank you

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Old 12/18/11, 6:10 PM   #28586
Kneebiter
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Rogue
 
Ravenholdt (EU)
Hello there - long time lurker, first time poster.

I searched for the answer to this question, but either it hasn't been asked, or I'm just not that good at searching.

I'm at the first stage of the legendary daggers, but got my hands on (normal) Blade of the Unmaker.

Basically I'm wondering what the EP for mainhand dagger dps is for subtlety - would it be to my advantage to use Blade of the Unmaker over Fear until I get the next set?

i.e. is the extra dps/top end damage worth losing the Suffering bonus and socket?

Thank you in advance.

Kneebiter

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Old 12/18/11, 6:20 PM   #28587
soulieke
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warrior
 
Frostmane (EU)
i am average at best most of the time , me dpsing. I have 2 Gurthalak and the tentecal is about 7-14% of my total dps. Ranked on 3bosses i think. There are probably some fights where arms is better but same counts for fury. i guess in total it balances a bit in the direction of arms atm but doubt it is major. So unless arms scales better and you wanne max on dps eveytime and dont have tank as off spec i guess you would be swithcing between them.

Anyway the log of dragon soul except heroic first boss can be found here World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis (for who intrested in proc rate and dps of 2 tentacle swords)
I havent really tested out arms in 4.3 neither do i have any set pieces from tier 13. I am heroic/normal firelands mostly but weapons and one trincket are from dargon soul. I can compete in some form with the casters atm alltought that is all to thanks to the new extra friendly melee might buff , it is ridiculs how much that boost your dps :P

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Old 12/18/11, 6:58 PM   #28588
kvappe
Glass Joe
 
Human Paladin
 
Darkspear (EU)
Originally Posted by slipey View Post
The zealotry prio option is the rotation that will be used when Zealotry buff is active. Otherwise the normal rotation will be used. Currently I'm using the following rotation settings for t13 2pc:

normal:
cs jhp inqr inqa tvdp exoud tvhp exo how hw cons

zealotry:
cs inqr inqa tvdp exoud tvhp exo how jhp hw cons

notice that jhp is much lower prio during zealotry as its HP generation provides no gain while the buff is active.

be sure to set your judgement clash time to 0
This one helped me alot, thanks

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Old 12/18/11, 7:05 PM   #28589
Sarvius
Don Flamenco
 
Goblin Rogue
 
Maiev
Plugged your profile into shadowcraft, swapped the daggers, re-optimized reforges and you dropped about 300 dps. Blade of the unmaker is a minor upgrade over fear in terms of EP, but the loss of suffering is apparently much greater.

By the by, I don't know why everyone keeps saying things like 'top-end.' It doesn't mean anything. DPS and speed matter, the actual damage range does not. And if it were to matter, fear has a greater top-end anyways despite lower dps.

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Old 12/19/11, 12:56 AM   #28590
Urkia
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Shaman
 
Draenor
Originally Posted by Timetodance View Post
It's a problem on Rawr's end. No quick fix at this stage, but I am looking into it.
Thanks for the reply!

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