Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1908

Muspel · 12/19/11, 9:43 PM

it has been mentioned to me that cleave is better than heroic strike even against single mobs, as a ragedump, due to the stacking ability that gives cleave and whirlwind a damage bonus, is this true?

No.

Also, the proper TG fury rotation can be found in the FAQ thread's first post.

Laeahndria · 12/19/11, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by Dragel

So I wanted to see if the raid finder tier is something to get. I switched out my T12 heroics (shoulder,chest,gloves,pants) for raid finder T13 which resulted in a slight dps loss. Then I switched pants to normal T13 and it was a slight dps increase from T12. Is the set bonuses so powerfull that it is worth downgrading to raid finder ilvl ?

definitely not worth it to switch to all t13 raid finder from heroic t12. the 2pc bonus from t13 is pretty powerful, so i would suggest only putting on t13 raid finder gear if it will make the 2pc set bonus.

Dens · 12/20/11, 2:03 AM

Originally Posted by Celestianna

Did a pretty interesting run of BT this week. From the bosses on Durendil's list, I killed Reliquary, Teron (world firsts?

), Gurtog and Mother. For those who want to kill them, a short summary on tactics.

Gurtog:
Did as MM. With my ~180k HP it was very easy, but you may have trouble if you have a lot less. The only real "tactic" here is to FD and do as much damage as possible during Fel Rage. I did it with 1 pet, you may need to switch pets (again, if you have much less HP).

Mother:
Again MM. Very simple, but potentially also very deadly due to fall damage. The "hanging wall" we used on 70 to avoid it seems to not work, but disengage of course does.

Reliquary:
Did as MM. Grab as much stamina gear as you can, Prismatic Elixir highly recommended (though I did without). For me the fight lasted 29 minutes, during which the 2nd phase boss did around 7 million damage. The tactic for phase 2 is simple, use all tools you have to survive, dispel the shield, interrupt and of course heal yourself and pet. Phase 1, simply FD, wait until pet is almost dead, dismiss, resummon, repeat. Phase 3 is faceroll. Screenshot

Teron:
Did as BM with spirit beast (and does not seem to be possible without). He has a 10 min enrage timer. 9 minutes you spend lying in FD, 10th minute you do damage.
Since FD has 6 minute duration, you will need to let your pet die. If you do the logical thing - attempt to reset the boss like Jider did with Patchwerk, Teron will get stuck on 1 HP and refuse to die. Because of this, you cannot allow the boss to reset and you cannot allow him the 2-3 seconds he needs to start casting Shadow of Death on you. Therefore, you need to get up and shoot him just as he finishes your pet, resurrect the pet, and continue. It is possible that you will be able to reset without the bug I experienced. Doing so will make the boss much easier.
The actual hard part is making the enrage timer. With my ~375 gear, I had to use all consumables, 2 potions, and I still had around 1 second on my Shadow of Death when Teron was killed. Screenshot

Council:
With my level of gear, does not seem possible. The damage done by Priest+Rogue (not really avoidable) is more than I can heal, even with 201k HP. Perhaps in the next season someone will manage it.

Have fun soloing Black Temple.

Anyone else managed to solo Reliquary of Souls? This guide is really not specific.

mufasalord · 12/20/11, 2:59 AM

Hello all, I found myself in a slight problem. I know as a combat rogue you will want a fast OH weapon, and a slow MH weapon. Now if i have say 2 weapons that hit 2.60 speed would use a combination like that or would a combination with a 2.60 weapon in MH with a 1.80 dagger OH work better for my dps? basically should i be using daggers in my OH? Didn't see anything in the 4.3 guide so im asking here. Thank you.

Tekloth · 12/20/11, 3:06 AM

You'll never want to use a 1.8 speed dagger in your offhand. If you have an option for a 1.4 speed offhand you should go with that.

poptya · 12/20/11, 3:23 AM

Originally Posted by mufasalord

Hello all, I found myself in a slight problem. I know as a combat rogue you will want a fast OH weapon, and a slow MH weapon. Now if i have say 2 weapons that hit 2.60 speed would use a combination like that or would a combination with a 2.60 weapon in MH with a 1.80 dagger OH work better for my dps? basically should i be using daggers in my OH? Didn't see anything in the 4.3 guide so im asking here. Thank you.

"A note about weapons, there are no fast 1-handed Agility weapons in Cata and you will almost always want a 1.4 speed dagger in your OH. With exception of the dagger sets mentioned above you will want to use a slow MH, slower will generally be better if the stats are the same."

Taken directly from the Combat Guide...

Bluson · 12/20/11, 9:36 AM

Hi i was just wondering if any of u can help me find the rotation and prioritis for arms warrior rotation with Stance Dance.

I found one side but im quite confused about it. Is MS->spell->spell OP rotation still usable ? Because when i use MS SLAM SLAM rotation then im a bit late to use MS at every gcd.

I was even looking in WoL but still i dont really know whats the diference between SD and without SD.
I'm definetly doing something wrong cos im loosing like 2-3k dps with Stance Dance when im suposed to do 3-4k more.

If any1 can help or know some good sites with explanatoin pls help ;]

Sry for my english xD

pedjaland · 12/20/11, 9:58 AM

Using latest simcraft on my gear (4set bonus 397 and so on) it gave me this stats prio
Stat Ranking Haste(1.6863) > Crit(1.5236) = Mastery (1.5224)

My armory Liquidsnake @ Frostmane - Game - World of Warcraft

Anyone getting similar results, since i had feeling mastery is the king esp with 4set

Rrui · 12/20/11, 12:05 PM

Irrelevant post. Ignore / delete.

Rrui · 12/20/11, 12:39 PM

I'm having confusion with weather [Kiroptyric Sigil] is going to be an upgrade for me, as SC is rating it as 5th in slot, however the trinket EP list over on the sub thread rates it as 13th.

Is SC correct in this case or not listing it correctly?

junialum · 12/20/11, 1:14 PM

I would link logs if my guild didn't make them private. I'm using LFR Gurths though.

Dracen · 12/20/11, 1:33 PM

I've noted that the Raid Finder version of Wrath of Unchaining is showing more dps than the Normal version (by about 1.8k). That obviously can't be right so something must be in error (either in UI selecting the wrong item, the backend calculations being off, or something else). This holds for all three specs. In case this isn't reproducible generally (unlikely I think) you can see it using my character (Dracen, Hydraxis-US)

Also, the dps increase from Kiroptyric Sigil seems a bit high. I would chock it up to my bias against use-trinkets except that the above behaviour suggests there may be an issue with some of the calculations.

br_thalesfc · 12/20/11, 4:50 PM

Thx ieatpaperbag.

Nice guide, i am using it.

Oakbriar · 12/20/11, 5:33 PM

two oddities:

As Combat, my trinket list is showing Wrath of Unchaining (ilvl 403 version) as being the highest DPS increase, and the ilvl 390 version is over 1000 points lower (#20 on my list). The only difference is 10 Agil per stack (+100 in total at full stack), so I have to think one of the two are showing up incorrectly, the only thing is: is the RF version really that underpowered (shows up in the range of good blues/weak t11), or is the 10-man version showing up as BIS what's wrong?

Also, I know there's been talk about No'kaled's proc already but I thought to throw in my findings. I've been using both the RF version of the axe (4243.0) and 10-man Spine of the Thousand Cuts (3989.0) but in-game switching to the Spine has not really shown any DPS loss. I can report back after this week's raids where I can really check out the numbers on good fights like Zon'ozz

Odric · 12/20/11, 10:20 PM

Thanks Gharnef!