Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1912

Seychan · 12/26/11, 12:46 PM

Hi there,
so. What's about that problem with haste?
I see many rogues which have around 2600 ~ haste and then try to reforge on mastery?
What do you think about that?

Greetz

poptya · 12/26/11, 1:35 PM

Originally Posted by morith

Hi all, I'm sorry if these are obvious questions, but I'm a new 85 rogue of 3 days.

For combat:
Is it better to use SnD with 1 CP or 5? It seems like consistently using it with 1 CP when possible is better (using more energy but less combo points in the long run), but I don't know.
If it's better to use SnD with 1 CP, and if it's about to fall off when I have 3-5 CP, is it better to refresh SnD or let it wear off and use the CP for evis?

Thank you!

edit: Just remembered another question.
If I mess up and get 5 CP on a mob without RVS, is it better to use RVS before evis or just evis without it?

Refresh SnD when it has between 0 and 1 second remaining, regardless of how many CPs you're at.

If you proc to 5 CP without RvS, Eviscerate. Using RvS at 5CP is a dps loss.

Serivola · 12/26/11, 2:34 PM

Originally Posted by PFCchen

most of the time it proc right after my own CS, since our normal rotation is CS--> MS

With 4pT13 MS>CS will result in higher CS-Uptime...

Dragaunus · 12/26/11, 3:25 PM

Edit: moved to Arms topic

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Runtime · 12/26/11, 5:30 PM

Testing Dps on a dummy doesn't give very conclusive evidence, and to top that off the dps between your 2 tests is well within the margin of error.

jescide · 12/27/11, 4:24 AM

first time simcraft user. sorry if these questions are a bit dumb.

ijust uploaded my hunters armory profile. it has an r-19 threatfinder that it isn't counting for my hit rating, is this a known bug? or amidoinitwrong?

i'm also curious how to change the sim from using ExT to BA, for exploratory purposes. (no real programming knowledge, sorry)

also i was reading on the SV thread that the ICD of LnL seems to be lower (~10-11.5 seconds), any truth to this? if so, then the sim is still running at the old 20 sec icd. any way to change the sim while we wait for a confrim/update?

[Cataclysm] - Survival Hunter

Modnoc · 12/27/11, 12:22 PM

Has Kiroptyric Sigil had it's ICD corrected from 60 sec to 90 sec in the SC engine as yet?
Thanks.

slink · 12/27/11, 12:27 PM

No, it's still overvalued in the current version.

asdf01 · 12/27/11, 4:07 PM

when I speak in rotation, is the correct order to use the skills

Murlctt · 12/27/11, 10:03 PM

What are your guys' thoughts on the Dragonfire Orb offhand? Worth it if we're low on mastery? Or stick with the ledger? Id also say, once we get access to the heroic ledger go with that... but id like to hear your opinion on the normal version of both off hands.

Since ive been a little on the low side for Mastery, im leaning towards the drgonfire orb right now, till I can get the heroic ledger.

Burchoid · 12/27/11, 11:47 PM

Hey Landsoul I like your work. I have a question about Arms though. I did a search and the last mention of integrating arms into the spreadsheet was from over 6 months ago, and that it wasn't done yet. Have you made any more progress on Arms now that 4.3 has dropped?? Arms is gaining a lot more popularity this patch... I know I am liking it after being Fury all of 4.2, but I am really bummed that I can't use your spreadsheet now.

Dark57 · 12/28/11, 4:09 AM

I feel as though this guide is suggesting that tanks should focus on getting the expertise and hit cap to keep threat. Now looking at tank gear it has absolutely no hit rating on it and expertise wise you would have to reforge a lot of secondary stats and gem to get any other either stat. For someone who is new to tanking I think it should be mentioned how since Righteous Fury has been buffed to 500% from 300% it is much less important to reach these caps before getting avoidance and block capped. Seeing as a proper rotation will keep you from losing threat in any situation IMO getting hit capped and expertise capped is really only needed if you can spare the survivability for it and your raid needs the extra dps.

You mentioned the stat priorities on the reforging section but I don't think that is enough.

IDK, maybe its just me but that's my two cents.

light · 12/28/11, 7:56 AM

The [Wrath of Unchaining] (LFR) is rated noticeable bad in ShadowCraft - other trinkets have nearly the same EP values compared to the combat guide thread trinket EP values.

[Wrath of Unchaining] 1400 EP (ShaodwCraft) / 2237 EP (combat guide thread) (~800 EP)
Compared with the EP values for the normal/heroic version the EP of 2237 seeme to be more inline.

Same goes for the trinket
[Kiroptyric Sigil] 2402 EP (ShaodwCraft) / 1927 EP (combat guide thread) (~500 EP)

Im a bit suprised that the little difference in my stats weight could make that big difference is it a modelling issue in ShadowCraft or is ShadowCraft right and the EP values in the "combat guide thread" are wrong.

saboya · 12/28/11, 11:59 AM

It was never important to reach those caps, unless you needed the DPS. Threat has been a non-issue since forever, even before the 500% buff, due to vengeance.

shadostalker · 12/28/11, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by light

The [Wrath of Unchaining] (LFR) is rated noticeable bad in ShadowCraft - other trinkets have nearly the same EP values compared to the combat guide thread trinket EP values.

[Wrath of Unchaining] 1400 EP (ShaodwCraft) / 2237 EP (combat guide thread) (~800 EP)
Compared with the EP values for the normal/heroic version the EP of 2237 seeme to be more inline.

Same goes for the trinket
[Kiroptyric Sigil] 2402 EP (ShaodwCraft) / 1927 EP (combat guide thread) (~500 EP)

Im a bit suprised that the little difference in my stats weight could make that big difference is it a modelling issue in ShadowCraft or is ShadowCraft right and the EP values in the "combat guide thread" are wrong.

I believe Shadowcraft currently has [Kiroptyric Sigil] as a 60 second CD and not a 90 second CD. Pretty sure that's why is has a much higher EP then the Combat Guides EP.