im leveling a frost tank atm and progressing towards this build: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

as would be good practice to get in some rotations while leveling as per wowwiki:

This build focuses on a new Death Knight that wants to Tank in the future, but also realizes that Lv. 80 is a long way. It will allow you to practice with two rotations designed for single targets/bosses or multiple mob AOE encounters. The build also focuses on big two-hander weapons. Leveling is extremely quick due to the crit heavy nature of this build. Even at starting levels, expect 1.2k to 2k crits. Most mobs will fall in seconds. It also gives you the most important frost survival tools (Lichborn, Deathchill, and Unbreakable Armor). Having tested this build from 58 - 80, I'm please to say that death was extremely rare. The build is designed to get you started from day one (Lv. 58). Completely fill out the frost tree first, then make your way to the Blood and Unholy trees. As far as the rotations go at Lv. 58:

Single target/boss DPS/Tanking : Icy Touch ->> Plague Strike ->> Blood Strike ->> Blood Strike ->> Howling Blast ->> Frost Strike

Multiple target AOE DPS/Tanking: (Death&Decay once acquired) Icy Touch ->> Plague Strike ->> Pestilence ->> Howling Blast ->> Blood Boil ->> Frost Strike (Switch enemies as current target's health depletes below 30%)

Problem I now have is that with 3.1 coming out this tree is all shuffled and howling blast now a 51 point talent...any suggestions around this as where i should drop my other 2 points from?

Thanks.

With all the changes in 3.1, which spec does it seem will be the highest dps? Did the ES nerf really make that much of an impact on the PTR? How does Black Arrow compare to tossing on a SS, and do they stack? I'd like to see some spec examples, if you guys wouldn't mind posting what you're going with after the patch. Glyphs included.

KingZero,

the answer to your question is still on this page. A few posts above I posted a comparison between combat, mutilate and HaT.

"Another question before was to find a breakeven point in crit/sec rate at which HaT surpasses Mutilate and Combat. The results might be off a little bit because to calculate Mutilate and Combat dps before I used optimal gear and gemming for each spec, but nonetheless I obtained about 6200 dps for mutilate and about 5500 dps for combat. Spec A which does more dps at lower crit/sec rates, matches combat dps at around 1.05 crit/sec and mutilate dps at around 1.63 crit/second."

In addition to that you should know that achieveing 1.05 crit/sec is no big deal at all. A reasonably geared fury warrior adds 0.3 crit second, so 4 of them will give you 1.2 crit/sec. To get to 1.63 crit/sec, you will probably need some hunters in your group. Their crit/sec rates should be around 0.5-0.7 depending on gear and pet. If you want to know about how much HaT ppm each class is worth, look back a few pages or you can also get an idea from a library of crit rates I started building in my simulation spreadsheet.

I'd say if you have 2 hunters in your group, you should have no problem beating combat and mutilate rogues in dps in live right now.

It's too early to say anything about 3.1 because they are putting effort in balancing rogue dps across different trees before it goes live. But it's going to take a big change to HaT to make sure it does not scale faster than other specs.

Thanks for your kind reply Mavanas i will try to dive more deeply into the HaT mechanics to improve my understanding of it. You may allow a few further questions.

Am i right to assume that HaT is foremost a viable spec in 25 instances cause in 10 man raids the chance is pretty high that you havent the appropriate setup to beat mutilate/combat?

If the answer is no would you recommend Webbed Death and Hailstorm for a HaT Build as the weapon choice?
On live fast/fast seem to be the soulution to prefer so i could give it a try tonight.

Am i right to conclude that esspecially on setups where the average critraid of each raidmember isn`t all to good for HaT you are better off with spaming evisverate instad of rupture + eviscerate?

As for my gear u may want to take a look at it to recommend geming otherwise or playing around with other stats if its neccesary for HaT:

The World of Warcraft Armory

Hi all, my 1st post here but I follow this foruns often
Im writing cause i dont realy know if I should use [Valorous Cryptstalker Legguards] or [Leggings of Failed Escape]. Im asking cause I only got one of them and i dont know if needing others are a waste of dkps or not...

Tks in advance

thank you for the info. =)

Could not find an answer for this while searching...

For DPS DK ist is quite obvious, Strength is the Food to go for, but AP is accepted in case there is a feast.

But for tanking I wonder...

I'd also take the feast in the raid, but what for 5mas etc or if there is no feast?

I think, all of the Food does provide the same amount of Stamina, so..

- Strength: More Parry, More AP, More Threat
- Agility: More Dodge, More Crit, Slightly more Armor

What else?

Haste?
Armor Pen?

Guess Expertise it is then.

Much easier to get as well as it is based on meat and not fish

Thanks!

You can also get [Worg Tartare] as meat-based hit food if you hit expertise soft cap but aren't hit capped yet.

Rubbish post, deleted it.

This is what the wiki is for
http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t24796-shaman_restoration/