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Old 06/01/09, 10:46 AM   #4801
Bereadytodie
Glass Joe
 
Human Mage
 
Darksorrow (EU)
Any suggestions on what addon to use to keep track of the 4 t8 proc? Preferably something easy to setup and use because I'm awfully bad with addons.

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Old 06/01/09, 10:58 AM   #4802
Taizu
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Gnome Death Knight
 
Arthas
Originally Posted by garrus View Post
For the AOE build (Freya) my idea is something like this:
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
Use DND, diseases and UB up, than death strikes -> blood boils, switch to scourge strikes on single target.
You are sacrificing a lot of DPS just by tailoring your build like that. In addition, ditching IUP is something I can never do as deep unholy.
0/10/61 is probably still the best AoE build there is. Black Ice really amps up your DnD/UB/BB which are your major AoE spells.

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Old 06/01/09, 11:10 AM   #4803
Arbitur
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Mage
 
Daggerspine
If you had actually read the thread, you would have picked up a number of suggestions.

I prefer Power Auras.

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Old 06/01/09, 12:23 PM   #4804
Kyuki
Piston Honda
 
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Gnome Mage
 
Emerald Dream (EU)
Cheers for some nice responses

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Old 06/01/09, 2:21 PM   #4805
arekugureman
Glass Joe
 
Human Mage
 
Balnazzar
if you meant to engage freya with the 3 elders up, don't drop precision, because they are bosses. The adds that freya summons, are not bosses you are right on that.

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Old 06/01/09, 3:16 PM   #4806
Rhinoamerican
 
Tauren Shaman
 
Madoran
Originally Posted by Stel View Post
I'm not sure you can do this with eventhorizon, but for timer needs I've been using PowerAuras. It's a little overkill for just timers, and kinda long to figure out how to set it up properly but once gone the initial headache it's great, and it can be of great use for a number of other shaman needs (not missing when your weapons buffs are down, knowing when you're not in range of your totems, knowing when you're soon out of charge on watershield when resto...) in HUD-like fashion, without having to go pick infos all around in your UI or to add more one-task addons.
Stel,

I would love to know how you set up PowerAuras for use with an elemental shaman. Everytime I think I've had it set up correctly I find out that that I don't! haha. I'd love to have it tell me when lava burst or flame shock is ready etc.

Thanks

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Old 06/01/09, 4:15 PM   #4807
arrogant jerk
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Human Rogue
 
Al'Akir (EU)
Possible Combact Build

Not sure if anyone mentioned this.
mentioned that ArPen 1.83 1.34 1.54 for combact, mut, and hat respectively.

It appears that stacking ArPen with combact rogues gives much more return than with mut or hat, and this just boosted in 3.1 with the ArPen boost in general. Would it be worth it dropping few points from Assassination tree to Subtlety tree in order to get Serrated Blades?
The standard build is:standard
The build i am looking at is:ArPen

I am sure this has been discussed before, even following elitistjerks everyday i think i have missed it. is there anyone could copy/paste the debated results for me?

also heard rummers that stacking ArPen is better for Combact rogues expecially in 3.1, stacking ap/agi gem fall behind [Fractured Scarlet Ruby]. has any have any experience with this?

Edit: Line 2 Should have read 'Cally mentioned that ArPen 1.83 1.34 1.54 for combact, mut, and hat respectively.'
Sorry Cally

Last edited by arrogant jerk : 06/01/09 at 4:23 PM. Reason: Spelling

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Old 06/01/09, 4:25 PM   #4808
Gith-Nor
 
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Human Paladin
 
Argent Dawn
I like to think that all raid encounters are play tested with at least one Retribution Paladin in attendance with a 99% JoL up time. I also joke around with all the Holy Paladins that I have their AoE raid healing. They hate that.

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Old 06/01/09, 4:35 PM   #4809
Mick
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Human Rogue
 
Emerald Dream
Originally Posted by arrogant jerk View Post
Not sure if anyone mentioned this.
mentioned that ArPen 1.83 1.34 1.54 for combact, mut, and hat respectively.

It appears that stacking ArPen with combact rogues gives much more return than with mut or hat, and this just boosted in 3.1 with the ArPen boost in general. Would it be worth it dropping few points from Assassination tree to Subtlety tree in order to get Serrated Blades?
The standard build is:standard
The build i am looking at is:ArPen

I am sure this has been discussed before, even following elitistjerks everyday i think i have missed it. is there anyone could copy/paste the debated results for me?

also heard rummers that stacking ArPen is better for Combact rogues expecially in 3.1, stacking ap/agi gem fall behind [Fractured Scarlet Ruby]. has any have any experience with this?

Edit: Line 2 Should have read 'Cally mentioned that ArPen 1.83 1.34 1.54 for combact, mut, and hat respectively.'
Sorry Cally
I'd recommend you check out post #1 on the WOTLK Rogue Gear Discussion thread. People smarter than you or I have determined a DPS gain of 21.7 DPS gemming ArPen over Agility, with a strong argument that the defensive stats provided from Agility would more than offset the minor DPS increase.

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Old 06/01/09, 5:03 PM   #4810
Netfelix
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Gnome Warlock
 
Lightning's Blade
Originally Posted by Zaleiria View Post
If the wording of the incinerate and F&B tooltips are accurate, we have:
- Incinerate gets bonus damage from anyone's immolate on the target. No talents needed.
- Incinerate and CB get (extra) bonus damage from your own immolate on the target. Requires F&B talent.

This seems to be supported by discussion in the Destruction Warlock thread.
Thank you

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Old 06/01/09, 5:57 PM   #4811
Joigahdenn
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Night Elf Rogue
 
Cenarius
Originally Posted by arrogant jerk View Post
Not sure if anyone mentioned this.
mentioned that ArPen 1.83 1.34 1.54 for combact, mut, and hat respectively.

It appears that stacking ArPen with combact rogues gives much more return than with mut or hat, and this just boosted in 3.1 with the ArPen boost in general. Would it be worth it dropping few points from Assassination tree to Subtlety tree in order to get Serrated Blades?
The standard build is:standard
The build i am looking at is:ArPen

I am sure this has been discussed before, even following elitistjerks everyday i think i have missed it. is there anyone could copy/paste the debated results for me?

also heard rummers that stacking ArPen is better for Combact rogues expecially in 3.1, stacking ap/agi gem fall behind [Fractured Scarlet Ruby]. has any have any experience with this?

Edit: Line 2 Should have read 'Cally mentioned that ArPen 1.83 1.34 1.54 for combact, mut, and hat respectively.'
Sorry Cally

Really, the best thing to do would be to plug your spec and gemming suggestions into the spreadsheet and see what it says, as that is the tool used to answer such a question. It will ultimately depend on your gear, but as far as I know speccing into Serrated Blades as combat is a DPS loss.

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Old 06/01/09, 6:04 PM   #4812
Ihsahnx
 
Human Death Knight
 
Korialstrasz
Re:

Looking forward to this spreadsheet in a BIG way. Also wanted to thank you for your time/effort Darkside; and can't wait to use the new spreadsheet.

Cheers!

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Old 06/01/09, 6:55 PM   #4813
lewo
Glass Joe
 
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Tauren Warrior
 
Scarshield Legion (EU)
good evening everyone, i'm new on the forums yet playing for a long time,
i have few questions about my new dk, she just hitted lvl 80 this morning and i have learned about a spec called 50/0/21 would you advice it for using
which rotations and glyps should i use? (i have death coil and death strike cant decide for the last one, may be unholy blight)
today i entered os 25 and i used 2 ds, then 4 hs, and between those when i hit 40 runic power unholy blight and while dpsing used death coil whenever i had 40 runic power.

my friend adviced this as you dont have to use diseases, disease free spec.
if i drop unholy blight and get dancing runic weapon, would it increase my dps (as i know it had been nerfed)

i know my gear is not very good as i hit 80 today, got 3 craftables and bought 60 valor emblem bracer from my warlock.

instead of going blood, should i try unholy?

thanks for reading and helping

ps:The World of Warcraft Armory

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Old 06/01/09, 7:33 PM   #4814
Desta77
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Burning Legion (EU)
hi
i', sory but i didnt read the whole topic so if there was a question like this pleas by tolerant:]

do you have a problem with threat playing cat?
when im dpsin single target i always reagrro tank so i never can fell free with my dps

have you guys that problem to?

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Old 06/01/09, 7:54 PM   #4815
babibele
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Gnome Mage
 
Ner'zhul (EU)


This is my UI, let's hope you will enjoy it

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Old 06/01/09, 8:23 PM   #4816
Isane
 
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Human Paladin
 
Scarshield Legion (EU)
I personally haven't got a real problem with raid healing on 10 man ulduar, though we pallies are far more effective at tank healing :/

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Old 06/01/09, 11:33 PM   #4817
Tenji
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Warrior
 
Scilla
Anyone got any answers to my question?

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Old 06/01/09, 11:58 PM   #4818
heilstrom
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Human Priest
 
Deathwing
This moderator is a douche

Dear heilstrom,

You have received an infraction at Elitist Jerks.

Reason: 7. Do not beg for hand-holding.
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This is not a good forum to post poorly-capitalized crap, especially when it's essentially, "Guys I'm too lazy and/or stupid to do my own research, how do I melt face?" To top off this terrible post you linked your armory not once but twice and signed your post - neither of those is necessary. If we actually care who you are, we can see to the left of your post.
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Dear Bartolimu ,

I am dissapointed with your moderation. Asking for help analyzing a rotation is not "begging for hand holding". If your going to correct my english I would expect you to do it using correct grammar. Please less QQ about capitalization and more help on forums. Not all of us spend 24 hours a day on forums learning how to post correctly, thus I would expect someone as leet as yourself to correct individuals with real lives in a courteous manner. Not all of us are english majors and we dont give a crap about capitalization punctuation ect... we would just like some help improving gaming skills, I didn't post for an english lesson. Remember Bartolimu we all look up and aspire to have an e-penis as big as yours one day.

Be back on a different e-mail
Love you

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Old 06/02/09, 12:40 AM   #4819
Kaubel
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Tauren Druid
 
Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by heilstrom View Post
Dear heilstrom,

You have received an infraction at Elitist Jerks.

Reason: 7. Do not beg for hand-holding.
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This is not a good forum to post poorly-capitalized crap, especially when it's essentially, "Guys I'm too lazy and/or stupid to do my own research, how do I melt face?" To top off this terrible post you linked your armory not once but twice and signed your post - neither of those is necessary. If we actually care who you are, we can see to the left of your post.
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Dear Bartolimu ,

I am dissapointed with your moderation. Asking for help analyzing a rotation is not "begging for hand holding". If your going to correct my english I would expect you to do it using correct grammar. Please less QQ about capitalization and more help on forums. Not all of us spend 24 hours a day on forums learning how to post correctly, thus I would expect someone as leet as yourself to correct individuals with real lives in a courteous manner. Not all of us are english majors and we dont give a crap about capitalization punctuation ect... we would just like some help improving gaming skills, I didn't post for an english lesson. Remember Bartolimu we all look up and aspire to have an e-penis as big as yours one day.

Be back on a different e-mail
Love you
I'll go ahead and let him take care of this. Sorry to see you go, shitstick.

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Old 06/02/09, 12:58 AM   #4820
Olee
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Tichondrius
Sorry for the nub post but I'm wondering if anyone has put together a BiS list for the ITx6 spec. Once i get the new sigil hopefully tomorrow I am going to use this spec and start off using my old non set bonus 32/39 set since i had my spell hit capped but as ulduar gear is concerned I have not seen any lists for BiS. Once again sorry for a post with no information but I am sure a lot of people are also looking for a list for BiS machine gun spec and if anyone has it it would be MUCH appreciated.

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Old 06/02/09, 3:01 AM   #4821
morrigann728
Glass Joe
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Bloodhoof
So i just want to clarify becuz of the retards flames i received in PM as well as the infraction BS i received when i asked if using dual 2% spell reduction would help with certain things.
1st some dk's use stoneskin gargoyle on a 2hander so that they can stack more stam thru JC trinket or essence of gossamer or even both. that was the sole reason i asked what i asked about the dual wield enchant. with the proper 1hand weapons you will negate the loss of the defense skill gained from SSG and if you macroed it to do a quick switch when you saw certain things incoming like fusion punch would it make a dent?

sorry for the "rage" if thats what you want to call it but apparently there are people who still dont fully understand this class and feel the need to flame.

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Old 06/02/09, 3:10 AM   #4822
Richie Daggers Crime
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Death Knight
 
Terenas
Thanks, Taizu. Such a simple and effective solution. I feel like a doorknob!

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Old 06/02/09, 9:08 AM   #4823
lajin1
 
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Wildhammer (EU)
Fs or Ob?

Well Im frost DPS specced 13/51/7 and what i cant understand is the dmg of Frost Strike, is it also reduced by armor just like OB which is phy attack, because i tried to compare both of them OB and FS

With Talents from frost tree FS get bonus 45% dmg (im not counting Tundra Stalker because OB also gets buffed by it)
FS is 60% strike so when we sum up we get 105%.

Glyphed OB gives us 100% dmg and +5% from T8(4) bonus + 2x12.5% from diseases (running double disease rotation).

Now to compare 2 sigils [Sigil of the Vengeful Heart] and [Sigil of Awareness] the bonus damage to both of abilities is about the same.

In 6xIT rotation we are able to do ~7FS if im correct and full rotation takes about 17-18s

Im running double disease rotation IT-PS-OB-BS-BS (dump- its 2xFS) OB-OB-FS-OB-FS its done in blood presence and it takes about 17s.

What is not clear for me is the DMG that FS can do [Sigil of the Vengeful Heart]
and also if its modified diffrent than OB

Also is the 8FS spam doing more DMG than 4OB+4FS? i'd like to know what dmg in % does sigil add to FS
cuz what i was thinking is 4xOB+4xFS *1.15 is (4x130% + 4x 105%)*1.15 = 1081%
and 8xFS = 8x105%(+the unknown bonus from sigil) = 840%

My question is: Isnt heavy OB rotation better with T8 Sets? OB has really high crit chance (~65-70%)
and its kinda more player friendly, what i mean is in unholy presence KM procs faster and in many ulduar encounters players are not able to focus on KM procs and also try to stay alive.

Here i present my DPS done at dummy in ebon hold with OB rotation:



and FS stats


As you can see im really high on crit with FS because the only 1 skill that may eat my KM proc is the IT which is used to apply Frost fever.

I ask about all that things because im in 10man riding guuild so im kinda not able to get [Sigil of the Vengeful Heart] dunno, maybe i try to defend myself, and here is my armory link http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...r&n=Kanamechan
im currently specced pvp unholy so dont look at spec :P
THX for all replyes and sorry for my english.

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Old 06/02/09, 10:33 AM   #4824
Teyrocar
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Human Death Knight
 
Bloodhoof
Did you miss the "Please read the OP" note?

And I'm pretty sure that Sigil of the Vengeful heart is superior to Awareness for Frost.

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Old 06/02/09, 11:38 AM   #4825
Errosa
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Sentinels
Combat rouge

Whats the best rotation for a combat rouge in 80 raids

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