Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1933

drtyx · 01/24/12, 8:58 AM

Originally Posted by saboya

I've asked, didn't got any answers, but I'll try again:

Any Paladins out there tried to reach 3s CS on Madness? My math says we need 1181 haste rating to reach that with Nozdormu's haste buff. I did Heroic Madness without it, with regular reforging, but I wonder if it's worth it.

You are correct with your calculations. And yes, I've tried it on Heroic, but didn't notice any significant difference. So i won't do it again next time. If you are so worrying about DPS on Madness, then the only thing that matters here: play someone else than Retri.

Arms Warriors for instance have enormous proc rates for Spellweave and Gurth tentacles on this encounter.
Conclusion: Madness is not our boss, and it is not worth to try any tricks and tweaks till Blizzard will balance this stuff. Sadly.

PS: pardon for English - it's not native for me.

Pepin · 01/24/12, 11:54 AM

So I've yet to really see any conclusive details in regards to the value of the tier 2 daggers, at least not that I could find.

According to Simcraft, my regular Nok + Vengeance is about 300 dps ahead of using both tier 2 daggers. Add a little extra for tier 2 off hand with current setup too. Is simcraft not accurate? Or will I still not be using both my daggers even with tier 2?

Razual · 01/24/12, 12:41 PM

hey fellow-taure, good to see someone else playing the king-race

first of all, your normal rotation or rather priority is MS > CS > OP > Slam; MS>CS will result in a higher csmash uptime, especially with the t134p.
what u will usually do, not considering any phases where u need burst or bloodlust etc, u will pop ur cooldowns like this:

wait until u got 3LttS, than pop deadly calm and your trinket. while DC is active u cant use IR. ur rotation stays the same(obviously spam hs on cooldown since its not on the gcd), see above. when DC falls off, u pop recklessness and inner rage, but take care that u do not spam too many HS, the general priority still is the same (unless u have to decide wheter to slam or use a incite-procc due to low rage)

this way you will get max dummy dps, "cd-rotation" obviously changes on most boss fights

Move69 · 01/24/12, 7:20 PM

Guys i have big problem with my dps. I have about 394 ilvl (check profile MoveBaws eu. burning legion) i know, my gear is not the best bo my dps on madness today was around 33k-35k. Which is totally bad... my friend as enh. shaman with 380-384 ilvl did about 40k dps. I really dont know what can i do but... its really really bad

ps: sorry for my bad English.

marlokk · 01/24/12, 11:00 PM

Can someone let me know where to read on Macros for hunter or just Macro's setting them up? I cant find it yet on here.
thank

Namarus · 01/25/12, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by Nerec

At the time t11 was highest tier, mastery does scale slightly better as haste after the plateau. After several updates (BA Buff) in t12, mastery does scaled better than haste. How should haste be better with t13 2pc, which does reduce the amount of cobra shots needed even further.

The impact of haste on SV abilites are:

shorter CobS cast time
more auto-shots
focus-reg
does pets even scale?

Mastery have impact onto following abilities:

BA / Trap
Serpent Sting
Arcane Shot
Cobra Shot
Nature Dmg procs (Vishanka)

In my last WOL Profile on Ultraxion Auto-Shot does 15%, Pet does 10% and just for the number: Kill Shot does 3%. Therefor haste is nice for 25% of our dmg, ~70 does favor mastery.

The goal of a haste plateau was to have a near focus neutral rotation which supports our Explosive Shot the most. Thus the best use of the given timeframe between 2 explosive shots. This leads to 757 haste + x modified through everyones latency to get as tight uptime between each Explosive Shots possible..

Don't forget that "Lightening Strikes" from Vial of Shadows also benefits from mastery and can easily account for somewhere around 5% of personal damage.

I would also point out that Thrill of the Hunt procs further devalue haste.

Warchy · 01/25/12, 1:52 PM

So I am curious whats everyones opinion on trinkets.. other than the obvs wrath of unchaining... Myself I favor the valor point sigil.. nice amount of haste and the on use lines up really well with AR. Scanning top end WoL rogues on fights I'm seeing alot using it. However I'm also seeing alot use the Vial of Shadows and the Starcatcher Compass......... If I were to swap the sigil out I think it would be for the Compass... if it would ever drop that is...

but overall what are you guys opinions on the trinkets??

Iridar · 01/26/12, 2:18 AM

State of the hunter dps.
Hello. I'm an active reader of X's blog, and his studies suggest that _on average_ hunters do low dps compared to other classes, and X suggests that hunter damage should be buffed. Also, this is position of hunter community, as I understand it. However, in my raiding group i'm almost always top DPSer (with 36-37k on ultra), and I also know of another hunter, she's also top DPSer of her raiding group. So i've been wondering, are we that good that no one can beat us even if hunters are underpowered, or just everyone else is that bad?
With deep respect, Iridar of RU_Fordragon

kayther · 01/26/12, 4:55 AM

Hey Guys Quick question. Right now I am using heroic Jaws, 2pT12 and 2pT13 and I feel I have to much regen. I am sitting at about 2960 Spirit without any stacks from Heart of the Unliving and feel I should dial some of that back, what is a good place for spirit right now? I have been looking at Rawr and it had been telling me to dump all of my Spirit into crit, which I can do I just don't want to go diving into hard modes without enough spirit. Thanks a bunch

Dadeeps/Zero Coordination/Whisperwind

Deeth · 01/26/12, 7:14 AM

[No'Kaled, the Elements of Death] or [Spine of the Thousand Cuts]? Before when I was in lower gear shadowcraft gave me +10dps with No'Kaled, but now I got some gear and sword gives +10dps, so which one is better?

Kinkeh · 01/26/12, 2:10 PM

Hello, I've been playing masterfrost for about 3 weeks now, I've tried both haste and mastery priority and I've gotten more progress and more of a challenge out of masterfrost..only thing is, I just suck at reforging.
Kìnk @ Trollbane - Game - World of Warcraft

Can anyone give me tips about my current stats and what to reforge, etc? ^^ my gear isn't so great at the moment but I'm working on it...would be very appreciated if I could get some help, please and thanks.

readytorace5 · 01/26/12, 2:18 PM

Hi all
I have a question about the rotation during deadly calm

It is better to spam slam during it or go in battle stance and also use overpower?
Thanks for the responses.

Sorry for the bad english

Palanuial · 01/26/12, 3:42 PM

20 DPS is a very small difference in the context of 30k+ DPS. So a miniscule shift in the distribution of your stats can lead to a difference in how shadowcraft ranks items whos value is very close.

Canith · 01/26/12, 5:45 PM

The second flame shock might actually bring my DPS up a bit, but only for the first, and possibly a second platform. My main concern is that my raid leader asked if i was alright because i was doing 20-30k DPS less than all the rest of the DPS, sans warlocks and our Spriest that was having issues (13 people in a house is issues when it comes to lag), and they were still higher.

Now granted, i was doing great when looking at my normal damage output (taking into account what little I was getting from Spellweave and getting the haste while it was up), but the divide between my damage in relation to the rest of the raid and my damage in the madness fight was pathetic. I was top on several fights, and close to top on the rest. Any other tips?

Deeth · 01/26/12, 6:20 PM

I know that, but which one should I use?