Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1935

02/01/12, 10:58 AM

#29011

bond32

Ragecake

Orc Warrior

Burning Legion

Originally Posted by Warrax

I usually top the meter on H Hagara as TG Fury so yeah I recommend Fury for this fight as long as you use your cooldowns during stun phases. There is also an Arms Warrior in the group that is much more geared than me and he can't catch me for this fight so there you go.

Thanks. What are you using for weapons? My concern is the burst needed to kill the crystals seems to be better from arms but I could be wrong. I have 2 gurths, one reg and one lfr.

02/01/12, 12:11 PM

#29012

Caysa

Glass Joe

Boonya

Pandaren Shaman

Silvermoon (EU)

Originally Posted by Impatientus

Two points I'd like to comment / recommend on:

1. Get SnD up as fast as possible, meaning after just 1 SS hit, with 1 cp or 2 cp if it procs.

With so many things depending on the number of melee swings e.g. melee damage (roughly 30% of your DPS), MG damage, CP procs feeding your cp builders and finishers etc etc, I think it's imperative to maintain an SnD uptime as close to 100% as possible.

There's also a trick you can use on bosses that have trash close to them. If the last mob before the boss pull dies with unused CPs, re-direct them on the boss, and then start the fight with SnD already up = profit.

2. Use tricks before the boss pull, and then try pooling energy before casting Tricks each time.

The reason for this is to ensure that you have enough energy to make use of the 6 second window of "discounted" cost.

SS requiring 30 energy instead of 39 means nothing if you're currently sitting on 15 energy, so I'd suggest pooling energy when Tricks has 2 seconds left off its cooldown.

Now these are just my thoughts on the matter, I haven't seen them discussed on other threads and I'd appreciate any thoughts or different approaches.

Me aswell would like some more light on this matter, because parts of what you write is basic, elementary stuff, and parts of it even sub-optimal. I'm still a bit in the blue about the optimal 5-6 first seconds of a singletarget pull.

02/01/12, 12:41 PM

#29013

HowToReadPreviousPosts

Glass Joe

Smaikî

Worgen Mage

Rexxar (EU)

Originally Posted by AceRider

Looks like this has now changed in that the direct damage has been nerfed by 6% but not the DoT portion.

Source: US patch notes.

Agree! While I tested the patch on PTR I noticed this, too. The Pyro-DoT isn't affected.

02/01/12, 2:29 PM	#29014
bond32 Ragecake Orc Warrior Burning Legion	Thanks. I think I will actually use my pvp spec which includes the charge gliphs so that should help. Like I said I am still learning but we will see.
bond32 Ragecake Orc Warrior Burning Legion

02/01/12, 3:09 PM	#29015
TotimRoth Glass Joe Totim Orc Shaman <Reign of the Horde> Ysera	As a Shaman that likes to think hes good, but will likely never see hard modes due to my choice of play, what would you guys consider to be the BIS list for a LFR/Regular Raiding Enhancement shaman. I've seen a bunch of talk about min/max of Heroic everything, but not a lot of information on regular items from D.S. My current predicament. Is Morningstar of Heroic Will (397) better then No'Kaled, the Elements of Death (390) in either MH or OH. My guild has finally put it all together long enough to get their first Madness 10 man kill, and i will be switching to 2 regular No'Kaled's once they are available. but in the mean time, having access to only 1 (390) No'kaled, would it be better in MH or OH or neither, keeping in mind i do have 2 Morningstar's Totim @ Ysera - Game - World of Warcraft Having trouble wrapping my mind around enhsim for weapon choices. Any input or Guidance would be appreciated. I've done some personal testing on dummies using multiple setups for (390) No'kaled , and (397) Morningstar x2, and from what i can tell, Weapon damage from (397)Morningstar seem to be a better choice then (390)No'Kaled. but maybe that is just my play style. I do try to follow these guides as best i can. And i do use world of logs for testing on dummies from time to time, usually do 30 minute(ish) tests. best i can do with current gear is 31.5k over a 30 min test using 2 Morningstar's. Also was wondering if swaping glyph of windfury for glyph of lightning bolt on spine is even considerable with the amount of burst required for the tendon's, we do get a considerable amount of lightning bolts off with wolves up. Again, any input would be welcome, I'm always looking to improve!

02/01/12, 3:10 PM	#29016
Ineedtofu Glass Joe Snazrat Goblin Mage <Ascension> Barthilas	On the MI portion, I've had problems where even after I castes a few times on the tendon that they would swap to either the amalgamation or the corruption and not dps the tendon at all. Is there a way around this that I am missing or just working as intended?

02/01/12, 4:01 PM

#29017

Pyryte

Von Kaiser

Pyryte

Pandaren Mage

<Unity>

Elune

Originally Posted by Ineedtofu

On the MI portion, I've had problems where even after I castes a few times on the tendon that they would swap to either the amalgamation or the corruption and not dps the tendon at all. Is there a way around this that I am missing or just working as intended?

I had the same issue for a while but found that if I was close to the tendon when I popped it and then hit it with an AB right after they all stuck to it for their duration. It could just be random luck but thus far it's worked out for me.

02/01/12, 8:47 PM

#29018

Zakath

Von Kaiser

Whiskeyjack

Human Warrior

<PTD>

Arathi (EU)

Originally Posted by bond32

Thanks. What are you using for weapons? My concern is the burst needed to kill the crystals seems to be better from arms but I could be wrong. I have 2 gurths, one reg and one lfr.

Well, I play SMF and I can take down a crystal by myself in 10man before having to run from the ice on Hagara (normal). I'm using Hand of Morchok 397x2 and I am pretty satisfied with the dps I'm doing. I'm looking at my recording of our recent kills : Morchok 30k, Zonozz 38-40k, Hagara 25k, Ultraxion 35k, Blackhorn 26k. Mind you, take those numbers with a grain of salt. I didn't use pots on each boss and I could probably improve on some of those fights. I just wanted to give you an idea.

02/01/12, 11:18 PM

#29019

bond32

Ragecake

Orc Warrior

Burning Legion

Originally Posted by Zakath

Those are much better numbers than I expected. I think I will actually use my pvp spec for heroic hagara so I am able to use the charge glyphs.

02/02/12, 3:51 AM

#29020

Jagro

Glass Joe

Jagro

Blood Elf Paladin

<Ikona>

Kazzak (EU)

Originally Posted by lyx

Looks like Blizzard is messing with Sot mechanic - some people report thousand of SoT ticks in span of few seconds - i'm not affected by this but take a look on those random worl logs :

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

This is how retribution should look like Blizzard!

Nice find, hope I can see that in person.

02/02/12, 5:26 AM

#29021

Grammond

Glass Joe

Grammond

Undead Warlock

Moon Guard

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02/02/12, 11:27 AM

#29022

Influxreptile

Von Kaiser

Reptiel

Night Elf Warrior

Frostmane (EU)

Originally Posted by Warrax

Neh don't go fury. Arms will perform a whole lot better due to ice tombs. I've been rank 1 for quite some time on Hagara as (SMF) fury but I'd be rank 130 or so if you compared me to arms warriors.

And no offense but something is seriously going wrong if you are topping the meters on Hagara. Mages should beat you blindfolded.

02/02/12, 12:33 PM

#29023

malevolant

Glass Joe

malevolent

Troll Hunter

Korgath

Originally Posted by Nostferatu

The reason we use macros is to perform multi functions by pushing a single button or click and thus consume only one GCD in the performance of these multi functions .
In this case the idea is to get dps onto the tendon as fast as possible.
I'm not suggesting that HM is off the GCD at all or make a target macro with just HM in it. I was responding to the question posted by Chanetta weather to use HM or skip it and apply SrS.

Firstly HM is added to the target macro which would have other things in it like ES or AS or CS and could including RF a trinket ..etc etc... Whatever u want the macro to do.
Secondly by adding HM as i said , you don't have an extra GCD as a single GCD is used in the macro to fire ES, ( your shot) etc... Lag and human error do not come into play.
My Tendon target macro looks like:
/cleartarget
/target Burning Tend
/startattack
/Cast Hunter's Mark
/petattack
/cast explosive shot

You can't cast Hunter's Mark and Explosive Shot in one GCD.

02/02/12, 12:53 PM	#29024
Alexxcri Von Kaiser Moolix Tauren Warrior <Circus> Jaedenar (EU)	On Hagara it's more of a question of preference really. They have the same mobility, provided you spec heroic fury. Me (fury) and my fellow warrior who plays arms always swap back and forth on that boss, I do more on boss, he does more on adds. There's also the possibility in which you get frozen into a tomb as Arms and you lose the opportunity to get some high damage doing.

02/02/12, 3:49 PM	#29025
lillbrorsan Glass Joe Truljin Troll Mage <Apex> Darkmoon Faire (EU)	I haven't been able to find any information about this so figured i would post it. We decided to clear Firelands HC today, when we got to Ragnaros i went Arcane and i noticed afterwards that my damagemeter did not say anything about the proc from the Legendary staff, so i figured it had bugged out with the new patch. To confirm this, i went to check at our combatlog over at WoL and it did not display any damage from the staff whatsoever. I doubt this is an intended change and has to be a bug, have anyone else noticed this since 4.3.2?