Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1956

Icerslair · 05/07/12, 6:07 AM

hi guys. I am a combat rogue with the 7/31/3 setup. I have these 4 weapons to chose from. What would be best? (axe+dagger or axe axe?)

Trickster's Edge (axe ilv 378 2.60speed 551.8 dps) (I have 2 of these)
Twinblade of the Hakkari (dagger ilv 353 1.80speed 437.2dps)
Cluttering Claw (Fist ilv 378 2.60speed 551.8 dps).

Both hands have LANDSLIDE.

Cheers.

costaskoni · 05/07/12, 11:24 AM

Guys i just capped my rogue at 85 and i am worring which spec to play.Which is the best to farm gear and which the best for end-gaming?

costaskoni · 05/07/12, 11:32 AM

I have a suggestion about Demons u use in a single target fight.I use to start the fight with my Felguard so i have the haste from Demon Soul and activate Fel Storm.When Fel Storm is gone i summon my Felhunter so i can have its wonderfull dps.Also the following macro helps a lot with demon changing during fight.
Macro: /cast Soulburn
/cast Summon Felhunter

Klavarnae · 05/07/12, 1:11 PM

Quote from first post:

"Explained

The first thing to note is that when you enter an encounter you will want to have your Felguard out. Once the encounter begins and your Felguard is attacking the boss use Felstorm and Demon Soul. Once Felstorm has ended you will want to summon a Felhunter using Soulburn, unless the fight is an AoE heavy fight."

So yes, you should be doing this as a demo lock.

Macemighty · 05/07/12, 1:56 PM

What change to corruption has there been in the demo sim? The DPET suggests it's cast once every 90 secs. Have I some how missed a change being announced or is this an error?

• Zakalwe · 05/07/12, 2:00 PM

The only change is that the demo warlock is now using imp swarm, which costs fury, which means spending more time out of meta. The result of spending more time out of meta is that corruption has to be recast more often.

Macemighty · 05/07/12, 2:07 PM

DPS DPS% Count Interval DPET
3972 6.6% 5.8 89.15sec 256992

This is from the corruption break down on simcraft. I will bow to your great knowledge but doesn't that look odd?

• Zakalwe · 05/07/12, 2:42 PM

I'm really not sure what you think looks so odd. Corruption is refreshed by touch of chaos, which only happens during meta, and it extends it to a max duration of around 30 seconds. Any time you stay out of meta for longer than 30 seconds, you'll be recasting corruption.

Szeretlek · 05/07/12, 4:24 PM

Originally Posted by Perkeyone

thanks for supporting that argument. go heal with your shiny buttons and pretty colored spells.

Thanks, I do it very well amongst all Disciplines in the world, according to World of Logs.
And your healing strategy according to WoW-Heroes.com dont have enough power for boost your hps at all (399ilvl equipped).
Theorycrafting was always a theorycraft, but for Haste_vs_Crit it was proven many times on paper, in SimCraft, in Valen`s Priest Spreadsheet how haste boost your HPS. Why Haste boost it more then Crit/
In real practice, I can definitely say - haste works much better. You react faster and you heal faster then others healers (it IS important when your partner is damn good). When you are cast your slow, big heal, some sneaky haste-charged paladin makes all your nice crit heals obsolete. Even if we assume that there is no overheal at all, Valen Spreadsheet said, that for 7PoH-1PWS rotation haste gives more hps boost, then crit. If we go back in real world, haste just overkill crit in matter hps boost.
Other people give some nice arguments and I partly agree with them.

Szeretlek · 05/07/12, 4:38 PM

Btw, you guys make some great calculations, but you really have done useless work, because Valen made great tool for theorycrafting. I take a picture for you:
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/1...readsheetc.png

I get this numbers after few clicks.

You can tweak some formulas for MoP conditions too ofc.

Havoc12 · 05/07/12, 9:09 PM

Originally Posted by Szeretlek

Btw, you guys make some great calculations, but you really have done useless work, because Valen made great tool for theorycrafting. I take a picture for you:
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/1...readsheetc.png

I get this numbers after few clicks.

You can tweak some formulas for MoP conditions too ofc.

The equations offer you much more than a spreadsheet. They give you a detailed understanding of how the spell behaves. A spreadsheet is nice, but then again you never know whether the actual formula the spreadsheet uses is appropriate. For the MoP beta its not. Its also not the case for gimmick fights like ultraxion, or fights where you mostly PWS/PoH full groups waiting for big damage hits (morchok, warmaster) or where you have an unusual mechanic that affects healing (yor).

On morchok and warmaster, you mastery has a much higher value than it appears, while on yor, due to the healing debuff and the sustained burst phases, crit has a much higher value than normal. A spreadsheet can't tell you that, but the formulas do.

The work is not useless, working out the explicit equations is valuable for everyone involved and is even helpful for the person making the spreadsheet.

Szeretlek · 05/08/12, 1:17 AM

Originally Posted by Havoc12

The equations offer you much more than a spreadsheet. They give you a detailed understanding of how the spell behaves. A spreadsheet is nice, but then again you never know whether the actual formula the spreadsheet uses is appropriate. For the MoP beta its not. Its also not the case for gimmick fights like ultraxion, or fights where you mostly PWS/PoH full groups waiting for big damage hits (morchok, warmaster) or where you have an unusual mechanic that affects healing (yor).

On morchok and warmaster, you mastery has a much higher value than it appears, while on yor, due to the healing debuff and the sustained burst phases, crit has a much higher value than normal. A spreadsheet can't tell you that, but the formulas do.

The work is not useless, working out the explicit equations is valuable for everyone involved and is even helpful for the person making the spreadsheet.

Its not true. In that spreadsheet you can include overheal % for each spell (you can take that numbers from WoL), make custom rotation (For Morchok, for example - 9 PWS, 50PoH, 10sec Idle. Others spells, that heals <5% are irrelevant) and see what numbers you actually get for any fight.
And about formulas. It is Excel spreadsheet, you can see ANY formula and edit it. For example formula for direct part of PoH looks like
Prayer_Healing_Dir_Heal_Avg*Echo_Light_Bonus*PoH_Targets*Chakra_PoH*Archangel_Bonus*( 1-OverHeal_PoH_Direct/100), where Prayer_Healing_Dir_Heal=(AE11+Casting_Spellpower*Z11)*(1+Spiritual_Healing_Bonus)*Twi n_Disciplines_Bonus

I recommend you to look through it. This is very powerful tool.

Szeretlek · 05/09/12, 4:27 AM

- Spirit Shell has been reworked - For the next 15 sec, your Heal, Flash Heal, Greater Heal, and Prayer of Healing no longer heal but instead create absorption shields that last 15 sec. Instant. 60 sec cooldown.

I pomise it will be nerfed to 2 min, or even 3 min cd. Its so powerful raid save cooldown for 10man

Szeretlek · 05/09/12, 5:55 AM

If you know that a huge, life threatening aoe is going to come in the next 15 seconds and all other healers frantically spam the raid to get everyone to 100% it's good to use SS and cast 5 PoH. Firstly you reduce your own overheal to 0%, even if you do less hps according to your calculations, but in such a situation many people will already be full and your PoH heal will go to waste.

Are you blind? Aegis part of PoH is the SAME with PoH+SS. And btw besides aegis, PoH has huge heal part and can stack his aegis part.
Its obviously not worth to even turn on Spirit Shell. Want protect raid before damage? Just cast PoH as always. Its bubble hps will be the same, and if some small tiny heal wont waste and do some heal - Pure PoH spam is a definitely winner.

Endrid · 05/09/12, 10:08 PM

What's the best Destruction pet for leveling? pvp? pve?