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Old 11/08/12, 8:17 PM   #29731
A1win
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Pandaren Warrior
 
Zenedar (EU)
Originally Posted by Ravendude View Post
hey peeps

ive been doing my research and im successfully tanking raid bosses in an " Control" build, where im near hit cap and exp is coming up, but my question with people who are always using this style of tanking... what gems so you use in what slot??

atm ive put all my gems with mastery 160 and 1 other stat in each socket, hit and expertised mixed in. ive also set my addon "reforgelite" to put expertise as prio over mastery till im 15% expertise cap then focus on mastery.

My character is a BS aswell

i know this may been noobish but id like to thoughts of fella peeps since this site has always been on the top list of info like this.
I'm currently prioritizing sta > exp=hit > mastery > parry > dodge (but not gemming for stamina as gems give so little of it, and mastery is worse than parry and dodge in fights where shield block isn't used). I'm not really sure how much each ">" is worth, though, and all in all it's just what my gut tells me. Still hoping for proper modeling and simulation to get a bit better idea of the stat weights. Check out my gear if you want to see epics my decisions on gemming (ignore the weapon chain, I'm just being cheap).

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Old 11/09/12, 6:34 AM   #29732
Ravendude
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Tauren Warrior
 
Shadowsong (EU)
Cheers, so how do the healers find it for you, knowing control spec over avoidance?? some of my guildies think its an awful spec to be... not being able to avoid more effect but i dont see it considering that if you dont miss a single attack nor be dodge or parry... then your get more rage overall = more shield block/shield barrier... ive logged off in my tanking gera, plz feel free to check it and tell me what you think, and any tips you may have for me would be appreicated..... for my reforging im using a addon called Reforgelite... got it set yo exp 15%>hit>mastery

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Old 11/09/12, 7:13 AM   #29733
Dillerpoelse
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Draenei Shaman
 
Outland (EU)
Has anyone messed with a rotation when your lightning shield is capped, shocks, elemental blast, lava burst, fire elemental, ascendance, earth elemental on CD and searing totem already down?

In the provided situation, is it a DPS gain to:
-refresh Searing Totem when it's already up (and how much of the duration has to be left and how long does it have to be up afterwards, and not replaced by fire elemental/destroyed by boss mechanics)?
-use unleash elements?

Also, if you just cast lightning bolts, it is a DPS gain if you increase the distance between the boss and you, due to longer travel time, giving you the opportunity to hit earth shock, before lightning bolts hit and potentially waste rolling thunder charges.

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Old 11/09/12, 12:37 PM   #29734
Hadouken
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Undead Rogue
 
Azshara (EU)
Originally Posted by Hadouken View Post
I would realy preciate if you're doing the "final" calcs on the undead and troll racial
Sorry for quoting myself but I'm really looking for a solution... because... at the moment I'm playing undead and I wanna maximum my dps, so I want to swap the race but I dont know which (horde). I guess orc is the best for now because of the fist drops... and then there are trolls with haste also pandarians with 300agi stock. Cant decide!

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Last edited by Hadouken : 11/09/12 at 12:42 PM.

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Old 11/09/12, 8:53 PM   #29735
haraguroi
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Arthas
to be honest i'm not sure why there debates on stat priority's for ele since they only thing that have changed for us with mop is that we dont have our totem bars an we now have a few more ability's in our spell books. so i dont know why we're debating stat priority's since our ability's still benefit in the same ways as they did in cata we just need more of them as would any toon thats lvl has increased.

hit/spirit(to cap 15%)>intl>haste(to flame shock tick cap or reduced gcd)>mastery>crit

if i remember right dot cliping was removed an refreshing your dots only refresh's the duration an doesn't reset the time between the ticks. i may be mistaken on this so dont quote me on it.

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Old 11/09/12, 9:35 PM   #29736
Mortos
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Vashj (EU)
Great Job.

I have a Question though, Is There Anyway you can add also the Variant of Being a Troll?
(IE to get the Berserk CD -
Raid + Berserk,
Raid + Berserk + Time Warp)?

Thank You

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Old 11/11/12, 10:55 AM   #29737
averykey
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What should we gem in gear? When I enter my simcraft weights into ask mr robot it has me pick a mixture of gems like

Haste/Strength Hit/Strength and Strength.

I remember in cata, you were supposed to gem straight strength and only gem otherwise if the bonus allowed for it.
Do the same rules still apply and is askmrrobot being stupid?





Blinding light is immune on mounted characters, cant knock them out of the air =/

Last edited by averykey : 11/11/12 at 11:48 AM.

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Old 11/11/12, 11:37 AM   #29738
Smag
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Король-лич (EU)
The only two situations where pvp set is viable, imo, (in 10 man anyways) are a) no monk healer b) 2 heal comp. The thing is, the way monks do their uber hps is they just blanket heal. We had a kill once where our monk had 63% overheal. On Amber-Shaper Un'sok he made rank #1 (just checked, he still is, with 70473 hps). I don't see any use for me doing the same thing. Most of the time i just tank heal with aoe bursts.

And btw, thx Blizz for not having any phisical raid saves -_-. I had a blast on most of the HoF bosses. They could've at least give DA a glyph that changes it to phisical. jeeez....

Last edited by Smag : 11/11/12 at 12:14 PM.

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Old 11/11/12, 6:25 PM   #29739
Esturion
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Gilneas (EU)
Which will be better Shin`ka LFR(with 500str gem) or Starshatter normal?

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Old 11/12/12, 5:34 AM   #29740
Jolem
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Worgen Rogue
 
Ravencrest (EU)
Only me getting parseerror while trying to use the reforge?

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Old 11/12/12, 7:42 AM   #29741
Balbus
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Anetheron (EU)
Originally Posted by Calicia View Post
Don't forget that mages get +5% Int, and only Int, making an Int/secondary hybrid still a little better than a straight secondary (unless you really need the hit/expertise to reach hit cap).
Actually Crit sims to me for normalized 0.51.

Without those 5% id prefer flat Crit gems. Taking the Int from Wizardry into account, Id prefer flat secondary from 0.525 on.

So the value of a Potent Vermilion Onyx for me is 80 x 1.05 (wizardry) + 160 x 0.51 = 165.6

A Brilliant Primordial Ruby would net 160 x 1.05 = 168 for my current gear.


Originally Posted by Calicia View Post
Unlike previous expansions, in MoP it appears that the best DPS outcome is to gem with hybrids in all sockets, as the secondary stats on gems are now double that of primary stats. Another option is to gem straight secondary stats, especially as your gear gets better, given that the value of crit increases as gear gets better. It is strongly recommended that you run your own sims to determine the best gemming options for your gear.
Seeing this I'd prefer pure Int.

Unless my thoughts werent totally wrong, it might be worth mentioning, that gemming pure Int is better up to a special point.

Last edited by Balbus : 11/12/12 at 8:33 AM.

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Old 11/13/12, 11:08 AM   #29742
Nythan
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Human Paladin
 
Zangarmarsh
you are right Fierss. im an idiot. whoops. well that makes more sense to me now.

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Old 11/13/12, 3:20 PM   #29743
Gritty
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Black Dragonflight
Thanks, I hadn't been calculating the none block avoidance into my equation.

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Old 11/14/12, 7:54 AM   #29744
Lyssa
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Pandaren Monk
 
Al'Akir (EU)
Hi, I don't play a rogue myself and I just have a quick question if anyone could care to answer it. Would Hawkmaster's Talon (Shado-Pan rep) be an upgrade over heroic 5-man dungeon trinkets for most specs for raiding?

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Old 11/14/12, 12:48 PM   #29745
 Viper
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Burning Blade
Originally Posted by Lyssa View Post
Hi, I don't play a rogue myself and I just have a quick question if anyone could care to answer it. Would Hawkmaster's Talon (Shado-Pan rep) be an upgrade over heroic 5-man dungeon trinkets for most specs for raiding?
Yes. You can find tables with approximate EP values for the trinkets in the spec-specific thread opening posts: The Art of Combat or Assassination from the Mists . Generally speaking, it's not very competitive with raid drops (or the darkmoon card) but does outperform the 5-man drops.

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