Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1991

Littch · 12/19/12, 2:32 PM

Originally Posted by Blowmeh

Hello, i'd like to ask if any1 knows what's the haste rating for dw monks, cus i cant really find any useful info around the websites :/

Most of us monks that constantly get top parses aim for about 4k then go full out crit. but as far as i know its between 4k - 4.5k, Using FoF at best possible times, EB usages and movement on fights you'll end up capping with much more than that i find

Blowmeh · 12/19/12, 2:53 PM

Originally Posted by Littch

Most of us monks that constantly get top parses aim for about 4k then go full out crit. but as far as i know its between 4k - 4.5k, Using FoF at best possible times, EB usages and movement on fights you'll end up capping with much more than that i find

Thanks a lot

mendenbarr · 12/19/12, 4:20 PM

Bumping to keep on front page, new update coming soon.

Littch · 12/20/12, 6:27 AM

Originally Posted by Shadown

This week i finally got all the 4 piece of t14 and even with a 65xx HASTE i can assure that our mastery is really a pain in the ass

even if it is an "extra" BK or a free TP atm, on long term is a loss due to the fact that since :

1) if i dont use ASAP the proc i lose ISTANT DPS ( dBKDMG / dT)

2) if i use the proc the GDC will screw my rotation and waste tons of energy since i dont JAB but i BK/TP and let the energy capping

i will do some test but im start thinking that isnt enough to reforge mastery > haste or crit

but also forget about mastery proc sometimes if that would screw our rotation , or even - but this is pure theory - to USE ONLY with an HIGH crit % to compensate the dps loss due to the energy capping or JAB delay

Example :

Assuming 100EN and 0 CHI

JAB [2CHI + BK PROC] -> BK ASAP or JAB and 3 BK ?

* remember that the GDC from JAB will add 1x energy to your 60 and the free BK another 1x -> 60->8x *

If you use the BK PROC but DONT CRIT it would prob be a loss DPS if the ENERGY WASTED thanks to the mastery could have give you another BK

But otherwise if you DONT USE THE PROC ASAP it is a BURST DPS LOSS but if you JAB over the PROC you can "store" 2 CHI for another BK, that we can assume as the "BK you wasted using the PROC ASAP"

I'm saying that since even with 65xx or 6700 haste there are the same problem - mastery and energy capping under HERO or BL - or even the terrible combo (EB + BL + MASTERY ...the horror)

I'm not saying that haste is getting a bad stat after some point, AA and TS are very strong with haste so.. , but at some point we HAVE to reforge on CRIT to compensate the problems that mastery proc can give us.

edit : 65xx-67xx haste based on my 2H build ;

Afaik Crit is undoubtedly better for 2h, the Haste=Crit builds were related to DW, which we have now gone into Crit > Haste too. You will probably get better results if you do same

Littch · 12/20/12, 6:59 AM

Need to sim, but before i do might as well ask, you think its worth dropping Gloves and Shoulders Tier (496) for Bonebreaker Gauntlets (509) and Netherrealm Shoulderpads (502). im thinking it is, but totally unsure

Shadown · 12/20/12, 8:43 AM

Originally Posted by Littch

Afaik Crit is undoubtedly better for 2h, the Haste=Crit builds were related to DW, which we have now gone into Crit > Haste too. You will probably get better results if you do same

Yep i was guessin the same thing or sort : DW : Haste>Crit and 2H : Crit>Haste

or at least Crit>Haste* *after hit the Haste break point for DW or 2H

Therefore sim test are a must for those doubts

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You are trading Haste Expertise -> Expertise Mastery on Shoulder and Hit Crit for Hit Haste on Gloves

Littch · 12/20/12, 10:29 AM

Sims will show haste at a higher value, due to robots being able to dump energy a ton better than we can, but 4-4.5k seems about right for haste

Bullgod · 12/20/12, 7:55 PM

First time posting on this website. How much crit should I be willing to sacrifice in order to keep the Haste BP prior to 4pc? How many adds need to be up before I should cast Hurricane over eclipsed dots on multiple targets?

Filimor · 12/20/12, 11:34 PM

Hi fellow tank.

I'm trying to maximize my tank spec at this moment to be at his maximum potential and I'm a bit confused with the (With Shield block and without)

I'm actually using the method of using only shield barrier, stacking Stam, reforging for Exp and Hit. Here is my armory.

Filimor @ Zul'jin - Community - World of Warcraft

I'm wondering is if I reforge to get Max mastery with Mastery gem would give me more DPS (with shield block Glyph) and will grant me more damage reduced after all.

We are not doing any Hardmode and we don't plan doing them before chrismass anyway.

Any tips would be welcomed.

beetlejuice · 12/21/12, 2:15 AM

Thank you for the reply,
as I am at 492 item level too, there will be a noticeable increase in dps, especially since last night I only have 1 LFR tier on my gear. Looking forward to dps the heroic modes now after holidays.
If I hadn't used my gold to re-buy the legendary gem when I jumped from the LFR sha-touched weapon to the Normal sha-touched weapon...I would have re-gemmed and reforged and run the sim. However for the sake of it I will at some point during holidays

Have nice holidays all, I hope I won't get any warnings for this post too.

cmwilli · 12/23/12, 12:16 AM

What happened to the Survival post?

krekot · 12/23/12, 4:05 AM

I would see change for Gorefiend's Grasp. When you are in blood spec Gorefiend's Grasp work like taunt.

Maybe small change for bloodworms to prefer heal injured party members because on me figths it has a lot of overheal.

I have small problem with Elegon. When I use Soul Reaper on Energy Charges I didn't get buff. It is bug or not?

On fights like Garajal AMS is a bit useless and change I would like to see is it don't abosrb magic damage but it reduce magic damage by %.

Rawbb · 12/23/12, 10:57 AM

It fell off the visible topics list because of its inactivity in the last 30 days. If you filter posts until 'the Beginning' you'll see it.

krekot · 12/24/12, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Otou

The heal actually does prioritize injured players, it's just not triggered by other players taking damage / low health. Their chance to explode on each melee hit, is increased by their master's health being low. I don't know the exact chance, but the lower your health, the higher their chance to explode. From there it heals the 6 most injured players in range, in addition to the master if he's close.

It would be more effective if they were triggered by the players in range, rather than their master. On large bosses, the Bloodworms are out of range of a tank anyway. So exploding based on the tank's needs isn't very effective for anyone.

Or maybe ability to detonate worms on 30 cd ???

Clingy · 12/24/12, 2:32 PM

I am interested in seeing a change to the spell owlkin frenzy. Change it to an on-use spell that is off the gcd with apprx. one minute cd. Anyone's thoughts on this idea? Of course it propably won't be looked at by class designers, but worth a look imo, and possibly make the NV nerf sting a bit less in 5.2.