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Old 06/11/09, 3:41 PM   #5151
Korrigan
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Human Mage
 
Gorgonnash (EU)
Originally Posted by Laraemond View Post
Hi folks, i allways wondert, why Illustration is never mentioned by anybody. 200spelldmg all fight long sounds rly powerfull..or is there something i missed?
Yes you missed something. Up to 26 Itemlevels
Flare of the Heavens is 120 crit and 850 spellpower for 10 seconds with 45s internal cooldown that's about 189 spellpower all the time (in simple math)
Scale of Fate has 125 spellpower and 432 haste for 20 seconds every 2 minutes and that's 72 haste overall.
Eye of the Broodmother has 87 crit and a stack effect like Illustration for 125 spellpower.
So except Flare of the Heavens, they are not VASTLY superior, but still upgrades.

Theorycrafting: "Which all sounds good, except that you're talking about playing excel and while I was playing world of warcraft I didn't see the results you got while playing excel."
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Old 06/11/09, 3:59 PM   #5152
zulhan
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Kul Tiras
I am an arcane mage and I have no idea what gems I should be looking at getting? I have alot of +crit and +hit gems on me and I have the feeling that I am in the wrong and that I could be better gemmed?

The World of Warcraft Armory

That is a link to my armory, any advice would be great

and note I have the volorous frostfire robe, should I swap out heigans vestiments? and if so what should I gem the frostfire robe with?

Last edited by zulhan : 06/11/09 at 4:17 PM.

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Old 06/11/09, 4:27 PM   #5153
Kelfar
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Originally Posted by zulhan View Post
I am an arcane mage and I have no idea what gems I should be looking at getting? I have alot of +crit and +hit gems on me and I have the feeling that I am in the wrong and that I could be better gemmed?

The World of Warcraft Armory

That is a link to my armory, any advice would be great

and note I have the volorous frostfire robe, should I swap out heigans vestiments? and if so what should I gem the frostfire robe with?
Read the first post of

The Arcane thread

It should have all the answers you need.

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Old 06/11/09, 4:28 PM   #5154
Irishloop
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Tauren Druid
 
Dragonblight
Originally Posted by Vazu View Post
What experience? I looked at your armory and the guild you're in hasn't cleared a single hard mode fight in 25m Ulduar. You have time to HOT and heal people because nobody is in any danger. I mentioned this in my post above. People who aren't working on hard modes just don't have a whole lot to contribute when it comes to discussing the merits of glyphing properly. The vast majority of people here don't care how you heal normal mode fights in Ulduar. I could train my 12 year old nephew how to heal normal fights in Ulduar.
Actually, you presume that only Hard Mode encounters "count" towards theorycrafting. If someone hasn't downed Hard Mode Mirimon, their opinion doesn't count, then?

By this same broken logic, any healer in Ensidia could easily dismiss any claims you make as irrelevant and inexperienced.

Elitist Jerks appeals to a very broad group of players. The information appeals to me regardless of what you read about my armory. I stick with Nourish because I do a lot of 10-man Ulduar with less experienced players and often am stuck healing the MT because many healers in my guild are, quite frankly, terrible.

I do not think you are in any position to discuss what the "vast majority" of people in this forum believe. And the fact that I'm not working on hard modes hardly makes me less qualified to read the data and make an informed decision. In much the same way that a scientist does not need to inject himself with HIV in order to treat the disease or make an informed decision regarding how the disease progresses.

Perhaps you should re-read the ToS before you go spouting off about what the forums are interested in.

That being said, I agreed with a poster above who noticed that it really depends on what you're working on. A good number of healers, even here, aren't working on 25-man hard modes yet, and for us, GoNourish still has a place. When my guild starts doing 25-mans more consistently, I'll be switching to Rejuvenation.

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Old 06/11/09, 4:47 PM   #5155
mosse
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Human Death Knight
 
Grim Batol (EU)
Originally Posted by Velisella View Post
Seems like blizzard hasn't completely given up on DW DPS for Dks.

From the shaman Q&A...


Seems like a bit of a long shot, but if blizz is willing to gimp enhancement shaman itemization for DW Dks, you might still have hope.
Please dont write off DW DKs | DPS | WoW Blue Tracker | World of Raids

Originally Posted by Ghostcrawler
Next major patch.

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Old 06/11/09, 4:55 PM   #5156
zulhan
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Draenei Mage
 
Kul Tiras
I did, and I may be a newb but I didnt see anything on gems : /

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Old 06/11/09, 5:21 PM   #5157
Repeek
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Repeek
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Originally Posted by Rott View Post
Need to just rename this thread WHAT'S THAT MOD??? IT'S FORTEXORCIST

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Old 06/11/09, 5:22 PM   #5158
Akraat
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Troll Rogue
 
Kor'gall (EU)
As a rule

Only two blue gems to meet meta requirements I prefer [Glowing Twilight Opal] but feel free to go for the 8 spirit variant for raw dps

Red - obviously [Runed Scarlet Ruby]. None other.

Yellow - Two things factor here. Generally you want to go for [Reckless Monarch Topaz], but if you are under the hit cap, go for [Rigid Autumn's Glow].

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Old 06/11/09, 5:43 PM   #5159
Grimgagorim
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Dwarf Hunter
 
Arygos (EU)
Originally Posted by Seoman View Post
Possibly the 2 piece bonus?
i should go to bed.. yes, that could be ... thx alot

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Old 06/11/09, 5:56 PM   #5160
zulhan
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Kul Tiras
ok so what is hit cap for an arcane mage? as well as should I swap out heigans vestiment for the val frostfire?

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Old 06/11/09, 5:59 PM   #5161
Kelfar
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Originally Posted by zulhan View Post
ok so what is hit cap for an arcane mage? as well as should I swap out heigans vestiment for the val frostfire?
It says at the very beginning of the thread I linked you what the hit cap is. Also do you need the hit from heigans? If so why would you swap it out?

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Old 06/11/09, 6:08 PM   #5162
Tennberg
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Human Warrior
 
Moonrunner
Long time reader, first time poster to EJ.

I have recently been putting in a lot of effort using both the DPS spreadsheet here and Rawr to determine I may be lacking and how to maximize my current gearset and what upgrades I should be getting.

Here are my questions:

1. I am currently at 25 expertise in both my MH and OH. I have seen Fury warriors running around who have anywhere from 18-21 expertise. Is the recommendation still to reach the expertise cap of 26, or is it OK to dip that low?

2. I currently have a Stormedge in my MH and BoH in my OH. The DPS spreadsheet shows both this config and a BoH MH/Stormedge OH as equal. Rawr shows that I get a greater OH benefit with a BoH than a Stormedge. Thoughts?

3. Individually, certain tier 8.5 pieces don't seem like upgrades from my 7.5 pieces (e.g., T7.5 shoulders -> T8.5 shoulders) or Obsidian Greathelm to 8.5 helm (big expertise loss, though I do get a big ArP gain). I assume in the end, everything would even out. So, my question, is the 4-piece 8/8.5 bonus worth getting as quickly as possible, even if certain stats wouldn't be at their ideal level while getting to that point?

4. With my current gear, the DPS spreadsheet says I should, in theory, be doing nearly 6000 DPS or possibly more. However, I am not finding myself at that level. I am properly buffed in 25-mans. I am doing my rotation properly (or at least think I am):

BT -> WW -> BS proc when it happens -> HS to let go some rage. If WW is on CD but BT isn't, I usually prioritize BS if it happens and then BT -> WW. Same goes if BT is on CD but WW isn't and I get a BS, I will prioritize BS.

Are there any suggestions on a better rotation or perhaps gear I should be aiming for? Gearwise, I do have a Grim Toll and Flights in my bag, though I feel I am better off with a Greatness/Wrathstone.

5. I created a macro that pops DW and Wrathstone at the same time, so I get that stack once every 2 mins. Should I not be popping both at the same time?

6. I also pop Recklessness once I get into Execute range. I also am keeping up my rotation while in Execute range and doing Execute only when I'm at full (or nearly full) rage. Should I be execute spamming or keeping my rotation?

Thanks.

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Old 06/11/09, 6:52 PM   #5163
DeadReck
 
Dwarf Death Knight
 
Thunderhorn (EU)
I guess its for trash damage, but i use my unholy spec for my dual spec for trash and XT
Also, anyone know the buff you get from Rime, as in the exact name for TellMeWhen that im using.
Thanks

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Old 06/11/09, 6:56 PM   #5164
zagor
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Human Death Knight
 
Eonar (EU)
Originally Posted by DeadReck View Post
I guess its for trash damage, but i use my unholy spec for my dual spec for trash and XT
Also, anyone know the buff you get from Rime, as in the exact name for TellMeWhen that im using.
Thanks
Freezing Fog.

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Old 06/11/09, 7:28 PM   #5165
DeadReck
 
Dwarf Death Knight
 
Thunderhorn (EU)
thanks zagor

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Old 06/11/09, 7:33 PM   #5166
Hotknight
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Shadowsong
Thank you very much everyone for your opinions. =)

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Old 06/11/09, 10:34 PM   #5167
Felerial
 
Undead Priest
 
Ner'zhul
@Bloch: Bloodlust and Heroism are one in the same. Horde and Alliance versions.

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Old 06/11/09, 11:39 PM   #5168
DTKT
Glass Joe
 
Undead Death Knight
 
Illidan
What seems to be the scaling with Blood in 10man and 25 ? We just did Noth and I was pulling somewhere around 3.7k

It doesnt seem super high to me but we were missing several key buffs. Should I look for Unholy spec for 10man?

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Old 06/12/09, 12:26 AM   #5169
Alacrity
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Ursin
According to Karlita who got the trinket the haste bonus isn't 612 as stated in the tooltip but 726
From mmo-champion.

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Old 06/12/09, 3:17 AM   #5170
wingot
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Blood Elf Mage
 
Dreadmaul
Originally Posted by ash2ash View Post
It's slightly more complicated that but the math has been done (nod to Enthorn)
Never fails to impress that Enthorn.

Thanks for the link, I didn't find it in my looking so far, but I've only been absorbing these forums for about 4 days, and haven't even read all of the big 4 threads (Simple Q&A, Optimal sets, FFB and Mage UI).

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Old 06/12/09, 4:02 AM   #5171
JoeF-3
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Arthas
Anyone else see that Blizz has said that imp hunter's mark being overwritten by regular hunter's mark is working as intended? We roll with 3-4 hunters and I'm the only marks, and it seems I can't get the rest of them to stop overwriting it most weeks. I'll just have to keep badgering them instead of hoping for a fix. /sigh...

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Old 06/12/09, 4:35 AM   #5172
Tcon
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Night Elf Druid
 
Frostmane (EU)
Originally Posted by skibo View Post
got it, last Q, is 4p t8 > ArPen ( ie, have chest & shoulders from 25-uld w/ arpen increase on them, but then I would loose 4 p bonus...should I wear the tier, or the other 2 pieces for arpen until other gear allows me to put the tier back on
been wondering about this aswell..

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Old 06/12/09, 4:53 AM   #5173
vpchelko
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Gnome Warlock
 
Ясеневый лес (EU)
/castrandom Execute, Whirlwind, bloodthirst

thats all u need :-P, I just spam this macro every 10 ms via AutoHotKey macro.

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Old 06/12/09, 6:14 AM   #5174
Dabú
 
Gnome Mage
 
Aggramar (EU)
Haste cap

I've been reading some of the former postet threads and some mention haste cap? Is it so the u can get haste cap or im I misunderstanding something?

Hoping for ur help to solve this out for me ;-)

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Old 06/12/09, 6:36 AM   #5175
Raxxnamas
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Troll Death Knight
 
Hellfire (EU)
For Vezax, can you use AMS if you end up in a saronite pool for any reason? Not sure of how the damage works?

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