Thank you very much, i knew it was a stupid question.. but i was going completely blank. I totally forgot this list doesn't use movement speed for feet. Sorry for the wasted post.

I've been tanking Ulduar 25 with a blood spec and we've got another DK tank running frost and we get absolutely stomped in the arena on thorim and this spec came up in discussion:

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My question is is there any real merit to having a full set of death runes? The aoe spamming of BB seems like it might help but at the sacrifice of a lot of other talents? Worth it to try?

Hello guys.

I have question. My guild do it Ulduar 25, but no Hard mode yet. I'm using Rawr and i have question about some items on my character.

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Whats you think about my items? Hit cap in raid done, crit is preety to mutch imo, and haste to low. I don't have chance to take tier8,5 shoulders from Yogg Saron now, i think that shoulders from general is good for me. Mantle of the Unknowing - Item - World of Warcraft

Any suggest about my problems with haste?

There's absolutely no reason whatsoever to have 6 death runes simultaneously.

There's a very, very minor tactical flexibility in being able to turn any of your runes into death runes on command.

That flexibility is so minor that it's not generally considered worth the sacrifice. Even in the spec you posted, which is mostly reasonable, you'd be far better off putting the three points in Death Rune Mastery into Scent of Blood or 2H Spec + Anticipation.

Hey Sobotainer,

A good start would be to change to offhand to [Surplus Limb] But I doubt that you are raiding nax still. If you still got your T7,5 shoulders I would equip those. That would increase your haste with 80 but overall stats will be a bit less due to lack of spirit on the T7.5 shoulders.

The +23 haste cloak enchant instead of the lightweave embroidery could help you out aswell.

It's just trying out what will bring you the most dps in a raid.

Hit and crit should be sufficient, imo crit can't be enough as a firemage (as long as enough haste is in place ofc )

Hello Guys,

I have 41% Arp which is 510, and am using Grim toll.

According to Simple ArPen calculator ( Arp Calculator )

40.3% arp + some buffs is capped for bosses with 13083 armor ( All bosses in wotlk have this armor as highest )

the capped is 40.3% + battle stance + Faerie Fire + 5x Sunder Armor + Grim Toll proc.

Shall i just keep my Arp around 40.3% and start gemming for Strg since it capped, or just keep gemming for Arp.

Sorry for my bad English =>

Your true that the embroidery is the best dps enchant obtained by a profession !

Like he states he wants to increase his haste there for I mentioned the haste enchant, but looking at the downfall of dps when switching to the +23 haste it isn't a wise choice indeed.

To guy above me.

Thanks m8 =D

So i just keep gemming for Arp =>

Yes i have Surplus and i have 7,5 shoulders.
About my enchant on cloak, i never change him ;P. I think, that my rings/wrist and boots is gimp with haste rating.
I must think about this and take some items with haste now. Maybe this [Ironmender], i don't know.

Anyway, thanks for answer.

BTW
How you know that everyone called me Sobotainer? ;p i know you? ;p

Hi All,
first i wanted to thank you for this place and all the good information i got here so far.

As i dont have the time to read through all the latest threads i wanted to give it a try here:

1. The Specc nowadays:
I just loved to be affliction WL in Wotlk
The changes of no life leech dot and no immo any more (+ the fucking life tap glyph) made me switch to Destro
Destro keeps me on top of the meter, but i can see a very good WL fellow every now and then who comes close (but has less good gear).
-> Which Specc is the best regarding only damge/dps ? Destro or Affli (both without our 30 min puppy, i always forget it before the fight xD)
(if there is no difference between the speccs it was just me beeing lazy and not refreshing something)

2. Talent
the SL / ISL thingy in the Destro tree somehow irritates me. 5 Points for a bit of Refreshment (and less life taps) sounds not too good to me in these ulduar times (where we as DDs have to move too :p).
Is it realy worth it (regarding all the ulduar encounters like Freya, Hodir, Thorim, Yogg) or does it only save you a tap or two in encounters where you also would be able to tap without a dps loss?

Thanks in advance.
Asmodeus

Dumb, yup, thanks, sorry

Has anyone tried 44/27? Frost going down to frost strike and unholy getting perma ghoul?
I also have a question. Does 20% attack power going to spell power talent, which attacks does it effect for the dk?

Glyph Howling Blast (as Frost) and watch arena become a joke. Also, what the above poster said is true. You're sacrificing useful things to get something that isn't useful at all, and can even mess up your rotation at times (i.e. two unholy runes refresh at the same time, instead of U/F)

Running Fist / Dagger at the moment, fully gemmed Agility...
I'm a bit curious if fully gemming ArmPen will end up better.

Any suggestions?

I dont see how 0/44/27 would work out really. You would be giving up 9% crit on BS/OB, 4% dmg on melee, ~78 AP from BA, 5% crit on abilities from not using blood tree, then also be losing 15% damage and expertise from tundra stalker, you couldnt use rime's proc for HB since you wouldnt have one.

If you do your rotation correct, you have no need for virulence (whether single or double), if you only use single disease Vicious strikes is useless, and if you're DPS, dodge is useless as you probably shouldnt be getting hit or there are other issues. Necrosis is nice with 20%, but that goes against tundra and you have to make up the 5 exp.

3% str is nice, and on 1500 STR = 45 STR (90AP), which makes up for BA missing from blood tree. But all of the missing crit and expertise would yield quite a decrease in DPS.

I'd love to see dirge and chill of the grave in action tho. 10 RP per oblit would be more free FS, but the overall loss in dps just wouldnt even touch it.

Maybe someone else may see something I dont, but it just doesnt add up for me.

As for frost not being a competitive spec, I have mixed feelings about that. I cant say that statement has no truth because in many cases, it does. WMO to me is a bit jaded because people pad the hell out of their numbers by having other classes buff them exclusively to get their name up on the boards.

In my guild, we run all 3 specs, and all of the DKs are pretty close as we average in the 6k region depending on the fight.

Many of the issues with frost dps is coming from where bliz nerfed the crap out of our tree, then left it half-done until they figure out how to implement DW spec. Personally, I love frost spec, and especially in unholy presence, so I'm always looking to push the envelope on this spec and come up with more creative ideas, but you can only get so much out of whats given to you to work with, and gear is not something I like to really consider as 100% of the equation since it should be apples to apples by comparison.

I was hoping Battlelord's Plate Boots and Belt of the Titans would have been close to BiS, but I guess i can save the runed orbs for other things. If only Melancholy dropped...

Dark conviction has been shown to be a poor investment when compared to necrosis. Necrosis isn't a huge boost but it is still optimal when compared to dark conviction. Improved Unholy also may not seem better when considering DPS in terms of a patchwork fight but when you really think about the fights that matter (hard modes and possibly yogg) the added speed is a real help. For example, when I did -1 yogg last night the added speed was nice when I was going below with the speed decrease from the lack of mimiron.

If you don't want to bother with spread sheets etc I would stick to the cookie cutter builds. Asking these really obvious questions will just get you in trouble when they could have easily been answered by going back and reading the thread or simply trusting those who want to spend the time to do the math. If something seems extremely good and nobody is taking it (icy talons or dark conviction) you should probably assume there is a reason and we aren't just stupid.

Hey guys, I'm starting out at raiding, and I've been trying 2 different specs: PvE Mutilate and Combat Fist/Dagger. I thought that Combat Fist/dagger would get me a much better DPS, but somehow, it gives me LOWER DPS than Mutilate!

I'm pretty sure my gear is O.K. for starting raids (no more greens ) and I'm pretty sure i got rotation good for both of my specs (Being garrote, SnD, 5rupture, 4/5envenom, back to 5rupture for Mutilate)(Being garrote, SnD, 5 rupture/evis and trying to keep SnD and Rupture up all time)

My weapons are ok (I guess) for raiding (Combat: MH: Crimson Steel / OH: Omen of Ruins) (Mutilate: MH: Titansteel Shanker / OH: Omen of Ruins)

Is there something I am doing wrong?? I need urgent help! (For I dont even pull 2k DPS WITH MY COMBAT SPEC!!!!)

Here is both of my specs link. Tell. Me. EVERYTHING!

PvE Mutilate Build I use
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Combat Fist/Dagger I use
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I would argue that you're doing something wrong with gear. Maybe you're just in PVP gear at the moment, but I see you're still using S2 level 70 pants. Don't try and tell me they're the best thing you can find, because they're not. There are at least four crafted/drop/rep pants that you could easily get.

Edit: You make a point of saying "no more greens" as though it means you're raid ready. Unfortunately, WOTLK greens are much better than level 70 PVP epics.

You've got unsocketed and unenchanted shoulders and boots. You're missing enchants on other gear, like your chest, bracers, and the aforementioned leggings.

Omen of Ruin is a subpar combat offhand, because it's slow. Pick up a Librarian's Paper Cutter or the Kirin'Tor dagger and you'll do much better.

What rotation are you using as combat? 5/5/5? What poisons?

Noted, and thanks.

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It seems like all the points there in the UH tree are less beneficial than the points in the Blood tree. Thoughts?