Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 212

Terrified · 06/15/09, 7:07 PM

Hi, I'm a longtime reader of this post and Im slightly confused on a very specific gear question.

I am soon going to be replacing my Spiked Titansteel Helm. But, I am going to go from 267 hit --> 207+12 (changing boot enchant) = 219.

At this point should I socket to 8% or should I just wait till it comes with gear?

pindle · 06/15/09, 7:24 PM

Originally Posted by Bsiddiq

Glyph Howling Blast (as Frost) and watch arena become a joke. Also, what the above poster said is true. You're sacrificing useful things to get something that isn't useful at all, and can even mess up your rotation at times (i.e. two unholy runes refresh at the same time, instead of U/F)

Agree. Also keep in mind that on most occasions, you will only really need to tank the two melee adds. The rest of them don't hit that hard and should go down very fast anyhow. Besides an occasional DnD or (DC) glyphed HB works wonders, as said.

What I found helps, if you tank them in the middle like we do, is to grip the evokers right when they appear and mark them with skull. That way they go down fast and don't cast nasty shields/heals on any other adds.

Ophylia · 06/15/09, 7:52 PM

Originally Posted by Terrified

Hi, I'm a longtime reader of this post and Im slightly confused on a very specific gear question.

I am soon going to be replacing my Spiked Titansteel Helm. But, I am going to go from 267 hit --> 207+12 (changing boot enchant) = 219.

At this point should I socket to 8% or should I just wait till it comes with gear?

Assuming you are in a stable raiding guild getting at least 1 item a week on average I'd say just wait with the gear. It's not like you miss a whole lot with 219 hit rating.

Therulian · 06/15/09, 8:28 PM

Hi, our guild got vezax 25man down tonight and i got [Helm of the Faceless].

i am currently sitting in 4 pieces of tier8 and was wondering if the set bonus (10% dmg reduction from AMS) is worth keeping the Tier8 helm, or if using helm of the faceless is better?

EDIT ------

Im using the Tier8 helm, not the Tier8.5 one

J1M · 06/15/09, 9:02 PM

Originally Posted by Terrified

Hi, I'm a longtime reader of this post and Im slightly confused on a very specific gear question.

I am soon going to be replacing my Spiked Titansteel Helm. But, I am going to go from 267 hit --> 207+12 (changing boot enchant) = 219.

At this point should I socket to 8% or should I just wait till it comes with gear?

This is really a question of whether you are poor or not. If you can't afford to regem every time you get a new piece of gear, then don't. You will see a damage boost if you do. To me not doing so would be like leaving a socket empty. Sure you can raid like that, but it is not optimal.

jasonjklaus · 06/15/09, 9:54 PM

this may seem like a stupid question but i am just enter the world of hardcore raiding and i was wondering if divine guardian kills you and if it does how/can it be prevented?

Maerae · 06/15/09, 9:58 PM

Originally Posted by jasonjklaus

this may seem like a stupid question but i am just enter the world of hardcore raiding and i was wondering if divine guardian kills you and if it does how/can it be prevented?

If you use Divine Sacrifice without bubbling first, yes, it will probably kill you. Bubble first, problem solved.

Diefje · 06/15/09, 10:12 PM

I won a Rune-etched nightblade, but I'm currently wearing Calamity's Grasp/Golem Shard Sticker. I've been fiddling around with aldriana's sheet for a while, so that probably already answers my question.

Are dual weapon specs dead?

Bungie · 06/15/09, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by thecaveman666

So I have some guildies using Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

It seems like all the points there in the UH tree are less beneficial than the points in the Blood tree. Thoughts?

There not, specs have been slammed through raids and simulators since 3.1 launched, it's been proven that subspecing into blood is superior dps over unholy.

birdy · 06/16/09, 12:15 AM

For Thorim i can suggest this method for the arena:
Everyone except 1-2 healers go to the center.
Just AoE everything until a Warbringer spawns - focus him then and burn him down (let your rogues and warriors disarm him, make a rotation). Then just continue AoEing everything until the next warbringer.
Sorry for being offtopic. But i just NEEDED to give that "hint". My guild needed almost two weeks for thorim..we just failed so much. Then we tried this method and killed him in the second try.

Vonhinten · 06/16/09, 1:15 AM

Originally Posted by Duilliath

Any particular reason you chose to ignore the previous thread made on this topic?

I'm glad the OP did. As much as I appreciate the free forums at EJ, gleaning good information from dozen and dozen of pages of discussion is really quite frustrating.

I guarantee you there would be more players of higher caliber if they came here and got what they were looking for without having to read for hours, only to read for hours more to find that what they read hours before was outdated and inaccurate.

Oroles · 06/16/09, 3:11 AM

hi, i used to MT most of the bosses (Ulduar25) but in past weeks since dps improved their gear i realised that my main problem now is TPS.

I usualy do 5000 - 6000 tps. What is a good TPS for a druid MT and how can i improve that ?

i mostly use maul + mangle + lancerate + ff

i've read that i should include swipe too ... included but didnt improved much.

Thnx

Ephedrafree · 06/16/09, 3:33 AM

Originally Posted by Dev0

Hi, all been a reader here for awhile now but I just now finaly decided to sign up basicly because I've finaly just had enough of the WoW forums.

Onto my topic I'm a Feral Druid and I main/OT for my guilds raids I consider myself fairly well geared and will be even better when then 2.1 comes out. However I am slowly getting more and more of a Threat issue as the rest of my raid team gears up. Which I've never had before alot of times my guild loves me tanking because as they say "I'm a Threat Beast".

I've pretty much concluded that this is a issue of +hit and the lack of it in my current/future tanking gear. When 2.1 comes out I will be switching to using all 3 pieces of the Clefthoof Set which is going to be monster. Currently I have all + stam gems in the sockets and now I'm thinking I will put afew +8 hit gems in to replace some stam or in my arena shoulders, I haven't decided yet.

My Question on this is what should I be aiming for in terms of +hit while not depleting my stamina too much.

The World of Warcraft Armory

my armory shows my current gear except the wrong neck for some reason I have the badge turn in neck after the patch I will be using the clefthoof legs and chest instead of the current setup.

Well, with the armor penetration buff, I would hit more for staminda instead of hit. With + hit it would deplete your stamina. Stay with what you have in my opinion.

Thairne · 06/16/09, 4:13 AM

Care to share that macro?
Just a row of keypresses bound to one G-Button?

CFF · 06/16/09, 6:13 AM

I picked up that slow is the way to go in terms of offhand nowadays but is Flametongue still the most viable weaponenhancement, for your offhand that is, or is WF finally back in buisness?

Dont have the time nor the energy to go through 48 pages trying to find the answer..

Skiace · 06/16/09, 6:53 AM

Originally Posted by CFF

I picked up that slow is the way to go in terms of offhand nowadays but is Flametongue still the most viable weaponenhancement or is WF finally back in buisness?

Dont have the time nor the energy to go through 48 pages trying to find the answer..

then maybe you should look here instead: Shaman: Enhancement

Racetrack · 06/16/09, 7:27 AM

First time poster, sorry if this has been answered but i tried using the search and it yielded no results as it was too short.

Question: Can i have a definitive answer on what the HIT cap i need as a level 80 Fury Warrior with Titan's Grip raiding for Ulduar. I do also have precision for the extra 3%.

Would i therefore be right in assuming i need 361 HIT for this?

Any help is appreciated, thanks.

wizzywiz · 06/16/09, 7:51 AM

I know it's been said several times but nothing has changed. Your demo/dest imp build and its testing needs to be replaced by the decimation/pyroclasm build. Even with my own lowely testing on recount it proved much better. How much stam and int would we have to stack to make our imp give us enough sp to beat out fire and brimstone talents ha?
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9947

I also have a question about your deep demo build with suppression. Like, really? Really? How is this not better dps? http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9947
I thought the whole point of the sbolt cast metamorph spec was for the raid buff.

ZeTodu · 06/16/09, 7:58 AM

164 hit reiting...
and next time try in combat retings........

Warlocomotif · 06/16/09, 8:09 AM

Originally Posted by wizzywiz

I know it's been said several times but nothing has changed. Your demo/dest imp build and its testing needs to be replaced by the decimation/pyroclasm build. Even with my own lowely testing on recount it proved much better.

No it shouldn't, it should be entirely removed from the list. The only reason it's still in the list is to show people "Really guys, this isn't viable anymore". It has no utility at all, and yet is fighting over the last spot on the damage meters with a spec that has insane aoe potential and provides around ~370 spellpower and 5% crit.

[edit to anwser what you edited into your post]

I also have a question about your deep demo build with suppression. Like, really? Really? How is this not better dps? http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9947
I thought the whole point of the sbolt cast metamorph spec was for the raid buff.

For one because your felguard actually needs to crit to give the raid the demonic pact buff. Uptime of the buff will be much lower without improved demonic tactics.

wizzywiz · 06/16/09, 8:16 AM

so your saying a little more crit for the felguard yeilds more dps than the buff being up as little as say 50% of the time? (thats a severe underestimate) I still dont think so.
oh and that extra point in molten core... hah

Warlocomotif · 06/16/09, 8:34 AM

Originally Posted by wizzywiz

so your saying a little more crit for the felguard yeilds more dps than the buff being up as little as say 50% of the time? (thats a severe underestimate) I still dont think so.
oh and that extra point in molten core... hah

What buff being up as little as 50% of the time? If you're talking about molten core- molten core is a pretty shitty talent when most of the damage you do is shadow damage. Not having improved demonic tactics means roughly -10% crit for your felguard, that's a decently significant decrease in demonic pact uptime for the raid.

Maybe you could argue that the spec should go for 1 point in molten core and 1 point in suppression, I do suspect that if you managed to properly gear for the +hit you'd need that that could indeed be a dps increase. But we're seriously talking about 5-15 DPS here, it's seriously not worth the hassle. I'd much rather have 2 dual specs that need the same amount of hit.

wizzywiz · 06/16/09, 8:48 AM

Not what I was saying at all.

"""Your saying roughly 10% more crit for the felguard is better than the demonic pact buff being up "frequently"?"""
When the whole point of taking imp demonic tactics is to proc demonic pact.

You press another good point however. 1 point in imp demonic tactics would be better than 2 in molten core.
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9947
Maybe 1 point in molten core isn't enough to keep it up durring 1:1 decimation. Personal testing and preference would test it. That's really not the point we should focus on though.

All you really did was click over 2 points in suppression to imp demonic tactics.. I may not be able to convince you personally if you have it in your head that demonic pact is only worth it if you take imp demonic tactics.

Of course you contradict yourself saying improved demonic tactics is more dps than having demonic pact.

Warlocomotif · 06/16/09, 8:57 AM

Originally Posted by wizzywiz

Not what I was saying at all.

"""Your saying roughly 10% more crit for the felguard is better than the demonic pact buff being up "frequently"?"""
When the whole point of taking imp demonic tactics is to proc demonic pact.

You press another good point however. 1 point in imp demonic tactics would be better than 2 in molten core.
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9947
Maybe 1 point in molten core isn't enough to keep it up durring 1:1 decimation. Personal testing and preference would test it. That's really not the point we should focus on though.

But that's exactly my point. The talent spec you suggest moves 3 points from improved demonic tactics into suppression. My point is that not having improved demonic tactics (As your spec suggests) will result in a decrease of demonic pact uptime that would easily outweigh any benefit you could get from picking suppression instead.

wizzywiz · 06/16/09, 9:09 AM

Haha. Your on crack. Ok I'll just say screw the suppression and be under hit capped.
The WHOLE point of the spec is to gear for 11% hit, take suppression, and have a less frequent demonic pact buff. I was asking, how is 1 point in molten core, 1 point in cataclysm and 10%crit for your pet better than the DEMONIC PACT raid buff being up even if its less frequent.
http://talent.mmo-champion.com
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9947
VS.
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9947