Ahhh, I see where the disconnect comes from now- I was comparing your spec to the regular demonic pact spec, not to 3/52/16- I was pointing out that your spec was worse than 0/56/15 due to the reduced demonic pact uptime you'd suffer from not having improved demonic tactics.

If you're asking why you wouldn't spec the spec you linked above as opposed to 3/52/16, the reason is fairly simple:
You might not want or need demonic pact. There's a number of possible reasons for this:
1] Someone else already provides demonic pact.
2] You do not have good enough gear for your demonic pact to beat totem of Wrath.

I appluad you for finding a way to answer that without the simtesters being wrong. Assuming your taking this spec because no other locks are full demo the only point still is to have demonic pact because its a unique raid buff. Just as the destro build with suppression still used pyroclasm I feel it's just as important for the demo build with suppression to have demonic pact. You know I'm right. Demonic pact>imp demonic tactics ESPECIALLY when imp demonic tactics is not used for felguard dps but rather demonic pact procs. But what's the point without demonic pact!!!? I rest my case. Goodnight.

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Simple way of exiting a vehicle, especially handy for when the demolisher decides to bug out and not launch you correctly.

So much info so little time to read it all. Thanks all for all the info. Just wish there was a compressed version of it all.

Is there a break point where the spreadsheet starts showing Arp as a better stats than agi. Is there a easy way to figure this number out from the spreadsheet like using the formulas or you have to just solve the puzzle by mix-and-matching?

Thank you for all your hard work

Isn't Two Handed Build better for DPSing these days?

What's the best TPS rotation for Feral Druids these days?

MMS vs Survival , wich one to use in PvE these days?

I heard frost is pretty good for General Vezax Hard Mode.

4 Conq (4) Set Bonus + Prot Talents VERSUS. 2 Conq / 2 t7.5 (2) Set Bonus + Ret Talents?

What's the name of that AddOn for "out of combat timers"? Seen it in a ton of movies but never found out the name of the addon

Is it me or Enh Shaman is terribad in PvP in WotLK?

How much Hit % needed in Raid Instances?

What's the name of the addon used mostly from Rogues that indicates you the "out of combat timers"?

ArP becomes better at roughly 580.

The spreadsheet will then show Agi as a better stat once ArP reaches a static 1231. If you want the most use of Mjolnir, the "cap" is 567. This has to be taken lightly though because ArP is still better than Agi past that point. Going past 567 just means that the value of Mjolnir decreases since the proc will have "wasted" ArP. When the trinket is not procced (or you don't have it) ArP will always be better past 580 and up until you reach 1231, the hard cap.

But as always, mixing and matching will tell you all this through the spreadsheet.

I know that with 3.1 armor upgrade is neccesary my question

Set Bonus break t7 4 piece for t8 2 piece sounds clumbsy but when i mess with it seems to be a big decrease in DPS
what is the smart thing to do wait till 4 piece and replace or Start Upgrading right away

Twurk, read this sticky thread you should have read before posting:
http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t54257-3...ated_6_2_09_a/

And I'll be very disappointed.

More base health is almost purely a pvp thing. It's not as stark of a difference as it's been made out. It'll be about 1-2k more hp at most.

But fixing the outdated totem mechanics, fixing outdated chain heal mechanics, fixing outdated or weak talents, fixing poorly scaling mechanics, fixing the fact that we're somehow artificially eHPS capped in many scenarios, fixing the fact that our mana regen is the weakest and the most vulnerable.


There's a laundry list and if our base HP is the only thing fixed I'll probably shelve my shaman permanently, even if they promise changes in the next patch...
This class has changed so little in the past expansion and still little change in this expansion for healing- it's apparent that we need to either be fixed or it's not worth sticking around unless you're safe in a firm dps position.

I could go elemental, but I love healing... there's no point sticking to a sinking ship when there's a perfectly good yacht in priests or druids.

I see in every build for Survival that Wyvern, and often Imp Wyvern sting is taken for Surv Build and I wonder why? I can understand if you are pvping, but if your Survival Spec is for raiding, wouldn't these points be better spent elsewhere?

I've never used Wyvern Sting in a Naxx raid, maybe I'm missing something?

Wyvern Sting is required to take 3/3 Noxious Stings. Each point in Noxious Stings increases your damage by a percent per point on a target afflicted by your Serpent Sting.

just a question about the dps sheat, i have enterd my gear etc taken the gems and enchants im using and setup the raid is what we mostly have to raids and its saying that i should do around 5.4k dps but im struggling to even go to 4.5k dps.

is there any "rotation" really for arms other than Prio SD > MS > OP or is it SD > OP > MS using slam in between cds and procs and where should i use Heroic strike as a filler ?