Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 227

Adsta · 06/25/09, 11:18 AM

Hey
*insert first time poster long time reader comment*

Just wanted to give thanks for the spreadsheet. Its been a great help for me.

Keep up the good work

odyz · 06/25/09, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Tungland

I have a little problem finding a ring that fit TTW/FB. I am currently using Titanium Spellshock Ring and Signet of Manifested Pain. What ring should i replace Titanium Spellshock with until i get Pyrelight Circle? Signet of the Kirin Tor is out of the question.

You really should download RAWR and use it to tell you what the next upgrade is.

But the band of channeled magic from badges is an upgrade from the spellshock ring and very easy to get.

Palanuial · 06/25/09, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Embar

minchar?

win-char

XI- · 06/25/09, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Palanuial

win-char

Shut the fuck up and stop posting idiot.

Khloros · 06/25/09, 11:40 AM

Hello there long time reader here

I have a question that has been puzzling me since the new simcraft has been updated

When I go check out the sample results for PTR. I am not sure how is

warlock=Warlock_T8_03_13_55 beats
warlock=Warlock_T8_00_13_58

I understand with FB nerfed this talent loose some damage. If I am hit capped would I not want the Mana replenishment from Improve soul leach???

Thanks for your input. Maybe I am missing something?

Skulldancer · 06/25/09, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by Olib

Would [Plans: Treads of Destiny] not be better than the [Boots of Healing Energies] since the sockets allow for more customization? I've been going over items with another paladin in my guild and trying to figure out what items we want to aim for now, but its very difficult now that regen may actually matter - previously I would just go for whatever increased my burst most and use paladin tools effectively to keep my mana high.

Rings / Belt / Chest were the slots where we were having most trouble. Excluding the Algalon quest rewards I was thinking 2 of the following for the ring slots: [Signet of Manifested Pain], [Pyrelight Circle], [Fire Orchid Signet] or [Radiant Seal] but I couldn't really make a decision, perhaps when there is 25% more mp5 on the latter two rings it will be a closer call. For the belt we felt it probably came down to [Plate Girdle of Righteousness] or perhaps [Belt of the Fallen Wyrm] with the main problem being not knowing how crit & mp5 will balance out especially with the mp5 buff still to come. Lastly chest we were looking at these two mail chests: [Chestguard of the Fallen God] & [Breastplate of the Stoneshaper] or perhaps this plate one: [Quartz-Studded Harness] (I'm pretty sure the [Breastplate of the Devoted] is still chest BiS but our guild hasn't done heroic Heartbreaker yet).

Well [Plans: Treads of Destiny] cant be bought by all being the cost of the mats is SO high thats why I said [Boots of Healing Energies] is one of the BiS. Belt of Clinging Hope - Item - World of Warcraft Is BiS then the 2 socket belt which also cost alot.

Chest of course is Breastplate of the Devoted - Item - World of Warcraft but next is Chestplate of the Great Aspects - Item - World of Warcraft

MP5 SP and Haste will reign supreme in patch because while the others wait for things to Crit I'll be spamming heavier faster heals. Haste/mp5 gear tend to have more intelli/stam/ and SP on average in they're gear.

Grik · 06/25/09, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Iroared

I tried, but seriously trying to mine 400-500 thorium bars takes forever, with their rather low spawn rate and huge zones with no flying mounts.
Besides, once you get past old world bars it gets considerably easier, outland will still cost some gold to level, and in northrend vendoring all you make will return more than half of your gold.

I ran the number on the mats required, and it came out to about 5k (not counting gold returned from selling created items), which is why I came to the conclusion that it was roughly a similar price. I leveled JC late, and do not want to go through the thorium grind again. I am going to try to mine most/all of my outland/northrend mats though. Thanks for the replies guys.

Hulabaloon · 06/25/09, 1:16 PM

How much it costs is irrelevant. Either it's best in slot or it isn't.

Orion Antares · 06/25/09, 1:17 PM

I was wondering if anyone had an approximate set of stats where Fury and Arms would be considered about equal for raid DPS?

Khloros · 06/25/09, 1:30 PM

Originally Posted by robmoss2k

They're based on certain ideal gear sets, and obviously the available hit gear and non-hit gear aren't going to be equally optimal for a certain set of builds - some will scale better than others.

Thanks. Also I must of missed your earlier post and it explains it in detail. Thank you

Ikswosil · 06/25/09, 2:34 PM

Originally Posted by Orion Antares

I was wondering if anyone had an approximate set of stats where Fury and Arms would be considered about equal for raid DPS?

There are far too many variables to just give you a set of stats. As in nearly all things related to this:

step 1: download spreadsheet

step 2: input gear

step 3:

step 4: win!

Mendeste · 06/25/09, 2:35 PM

What is the best stuff to gem for as far as tanking goes in a priority manner?

blejs · 06/25/09, 2:39 PM

Is there any addon that keep track of friendly buffs/totems? So u know if u are not in range of that person etc.
Also what shaman totems benefit MM / SV specs?

Palanuial · 06/25/09, 2:55 PM

Very original Xi, good job.

tgbrown7 · 06/25/09, 3:50 PM

Originally Posted by Nemantopia

Boldings mine. So basically, you're talking about three other trees out of the 30 talent trees that exist, one of which has the same problem as Frost [or should say, as old Frost], which is powerful PvP without looking good on PvE, a caster and a melee/cast hybrid tree for shamans getting rebalanced, and overall healing mechanic methods to balance in PvP. I wouldn't say that there are 'too many glaring issues', because Frost has BEEN a glaring issue. I'd say 'Frost will always be low-man on the totem pole for fixes or rebalancing unless it does something like screw up a raid mechanic [Replenishment]'

Well maybe you dont understand what I was trying to say. I was not arguing whether frost pve is a glaring issue, or whether its been around for a long time that way. I am saying there are many many things in the game that need lots of tuning before they get where they need to be, frost pve is one.

The difference I am saying is that frost is more challenging than many others because you are toying with essentially a mages main pvp viable spec.

This makes it more dicey to mess with, as apposed to trying to balance a lot of other things (which may also present difficulties, but I think because of fire and to a lesser extent arcane being viable it puts frost on the back burner). For example ret I think is something (obviously from their behavior) they really want to balance before they start to make drastic frost changes, because otherwise paladins dont have a dps option at all, and in the case of mages we do have other options (i know some people dont want to use the other options, and thats valid, but it doesnt change the way they view things)

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The other thing is the amount of time an issue has been around i think is more or less irrelevant, look at ignite munching or blink bugs. I seriously doubt frost will get anything significant (and it would need to be significant to make it viable) in this expansion.

I think they look at it like, do mages have a viable pvp spec? Yes. Do they have a viable pve spec? Yes. Shamans for instance got more changes because their pve dps as either spec is less than mages and they have always been at the bottom of pvp (mages could start to see some serious pvp issues I think, but thats another story)

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tgbrown7 · 06/25/09, 4:03 PM

Thebaconater · 06/25/09, 4:32 PM

Ok so I am new to these forums and I have read the majority of this thread and I just have a quick question.

I decided to spec arms from fury since i wanted to give it a try. So far my dps is around the same as my fury spec just a bit lower but I have yet to test it out in a raid. Since I am originally a fury warrior all my gems are Str gems and I don't have much ArP from my gear either (Sitting at 12%). What i'm asking is what changes should I make to my gear in order to maximize my dps. I would use landsoul's spreadsheet but I can't seem to get it to work on my computer :'(. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

mxalpinestar · 06/25/09, 4:52 PM

hey murder i wanted to see if u can post a new link to your resto shaman UI? cause you link is a pge not found.

Darkbeastsb · 06/25/09, 6:39 PM

Hey guys I posted awhile back and got banned by some priest...Anyways I recently started using rawr and I don't know how accurate it is. It is saying that the stat values for gear is sp - 2.11 and crit 1.12 (haste value is not showing up in rawr). So if that is right sp is almost twice as good as crit so 12 sp is equivalent to 24 crit? To get get more specific as to why i need help, my haste has been taking a beating with every upgrade i get. At the moment i am sitting at 300 haste and over 3k sp raid buffed. I keep reading mixed things about haste values and I would really appreciate any advice you guys can send my way.
Here is my armory - The World of Warcraft Armory I will try to log out in pve gear

And here is my WMO WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay

Overall I feel like I am doing real well in terms of dps meters, but I am really concerned about haste. I don't want to gimp myself because of bad gearing

EDIT** As to not leave to broad a question i will simplify the above. Should i just keep stacking spell power or should i sacrifice some to get a decent amount of haste?

astolpho · 06/25/09, 6:42 PM

Sixthy what totem add-on do you use?

bossmaann · 06/25/09, 6:54 PM

I have a few questions. With almost all bis gear with 4 pc t8.5, which spec is really more dps? 12/0/59 or 0/10/61?
Also i been thinking if you use the 0/10/61 spec, would it be more dps to drop 1 point in morbidity and Ghoul Frenzy and put them in Butchery? Also would 14/0/57 be better to drop points in morbidity and put them in dark conviction? Finally, if you have the t8.5 set, is glyph of UB better for both 12/0/59 and 0/10/61 or just a certain one?

tgbrown7 · 06/25/09, 7:38 PM

Arrgzum · 06/25/09, 7:58 PM

After simming i have no evidence haste can affect the cooldown. My armory spec is just slightly different than cookie cutter, and i have higher dps with WF/FT still. I still need to test unusual options however, because my glyphs are out-of-date.

Arrgzum · 06/25/09, 8:10 PM

Originally Posted by SentinelBorg

From the shaman Q&A:

So there is hope now.

40.5 + stamina? I could gem for more hope than that.

Nerub · 06/25/09, 8:57 PM

Originally Posted by frmorrison

Any glyph can be changed on this PTR, nothing is protected from changes.

Blizzard does PTR on an iterative process, so it seems they are working on DW Frost now, so later they will worry about UB not working and HS vs. BS usage. There is still two months until a possible release.

The goal is Blood, Unholy, and DW Frost to be deal about the same dps.

No, they are trying to push one build to be a viable DW Spec, not all three trees at a time.

Taken from the class Q&A:

What we are going to do with dual-wield in 3.2 is just provide the Frost tree with the talents necessary to prop-up dual wielding, including a new talent that lets Frost Strike, Death Strike, Obliterate etc. hit with both weapons. This will likely mean that Blood and Unholy dual-wield specs just won’t work anymore. It also carries the risk that all Frost death knights feel like they have to go dual-wield. This latter part isn’t necessarily a goal, but could be the outcome. We think in this case our only option is to remove some player choice in order to provide a real choice in other areas.