Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 228

Siyx · 04/14/09, 1:42 PM

Originally Posted by Nyarloltep

So what glyphs will be used for the 51/2/18 spec? I had the old blood thread bookmarked with the info, but obviously no longer.

Glyph of Dancing Rune Weapon and Glyph of Death Strike are probably going to be the two staples. For the third major you could go a couple different ways, Glyph of Dark Death (increased DC damage) is probably the third major I'll end up using. Unfortunately 2/3 of the Glyphs we are going to want to use are brand new ones and are discovered via random world drops so you might be out of luck for a little while depending on how the RNG treats people on your server.

Machinesgood · 04/14/09, 1:44 PM

This is a couple of spec Ideas I am looking into for 3.1
want to get some opinions on it from the brains here, since my math is horrible

Here is a couple of talent builds I am looking at

7/13/51

3/16/52

Demi9OD · 04/14/09, 1:50 PM

SP from LT is calculated dynamically. Any changes to spirit while under the effect of the LT glyph are reflected immediately in spell power.

imwithblink · 04/14/09, 1:53 PM

Okay, here is the warrior's armory link The World of Warcraft Armory
I cant set up a WWS for yall, cuz unfortunately, ima noob lol. But, after looking at recount damage for malygos in phase 1, number 1 was his melee with about 170, then was shield slam, using it 39 times, then revenge using it 24 times, then 22 devastates, and so forth, just to give an idea. Used HS only twice, shockwave once.

I did actually mention using HS in that rotation, but I did not put emphasis on it, I didn't know it was possible for a tank to use that all but 1 or 2 times in a Patchwerk fight, especially since he has a 1.6 sec or so weapon, and idk if there is plenty of rage to afford it with other high threat moves. I've heard it done on illidan in the past tho.... lol

And I did not explain my point to Shield Block proccing S&B, sorry. I believe that Revenge procs of a parry, dodge, or block, and Shield block increases the chance to block and block rating by 100% for 10 secs, so your chance to proc revenge increases a ton. The point to this theory is in order for him to burst some high threat right of the start so dps doesnt have to wait, he'll have his Heroic throw, a shield slam, then the first 10 secs he'll have that high block chance, meaning reveng will proc from almost every of Malygos's swings, and while doing devastates in between, the chance for sword and board to proc should be very high. All of this rush in threat would be great, if the rage keeps up. Having that kind of avoidance might starve him of rage as well, so idk...

Anyways, thanks for the quick feedback, i'll refer this to him and I hope it helps, especially with Ulduar now out lol, it'd be nice to jump in there without worrying about tank issues, which we really dont need lol.
Thanks again

Nyarloltep · 04/14/09, 1:54 PM

Thanks for the quick reply Siyx, hope Gorg gets some drops right away =p

Winkii · 04/14/09, 1:57 PM

I'm Sorry I cannot read a 51 page post, could someone point me toward a leveling post as I'm still leveling,

Thank you

Oromism · 04/14/09, 2:03 PM

I have seen many various specs posted in this thread, I basically narrowed the survival dps spec to Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Mapookoo · 04/14/09, 2:04 PM

with all the new updates from 3.1 what is lookin like the most reliable spec to go with?

brooksy86 · 04/14/09, 2:48 PM

I am interested in new specs for the 3.1 anyone have any good sites/ideas about tree's we should be looking at, and if any outweigh blood now. Just looking to do the best for my guild and tonights opening night lol

Smooglab · 04/14/09, 3:16 PM

Originally Posted by imwithblink

Okay, here is the warrior's armory link The World of Warcraft Armory
I cant set up a WWS for yall, cuz unfortunately, ima noob lol. But, after looking at recount damage for malygos in phase 1, number 1 was his melee with about 170, then was shield slam, using it 39 times, then revenge using it 24 times, then 22 devastates, and so forth, just to give an idea. Used HS only twice, shockwave once.

I did actually mention using HS in that rotation, but I did not put emphasis on it, I didn't know it was possible for a tank to use that all but 1 or 2 times in a Patchwerk fight, especially since he has a 1.6 sec or so weapon, and idk if there is plenty of rage to afford it with other high threat moves. I've heard it done on illidan in the past tho.... lol

And I did not explain my point to Shield Block proccing S&B, sorry. I believe that Revenge procs of a parry, dodge, or block, and Shield block increases the chance to block and block rating by 100% for 10 secs, so your chance to proc revenge increases a ton. The point to this theory is in order for him to burst some high threat right of the start so dps doesnt have to wait, he'll have his Heroic throw, a shield slam, then the first 10 secs he'll have that high block chance, meaning reveng will proc from almost every of Malygos's swings, and while doing devastates in between, the chance for sword and board to proc should be very high. All of this rush in threat would be great, if the rage keeps up. Having that kind of avoidance might starve him of rage as well, so idk...

Anyways, thanks for the quick feedback, i'll refer this to him and I hope it helps, especially with Ulduar now out lol, it'd be nice to jump in there without worrying about tank issues, which we really don't need lol.
Thanks again

Purely judging at his gear and spec choices, he is a bit worried about taking too much damage. Seeing he seems to focus on avoidance gear/gems and seeing a 11-point fury spec, instead of a Deep Wounds arms-spec. Let him try the basic 51/5/51-spec. Use pure-stamina for blue slots, 8 expertise / 12 stamina for red slots and 8 hit / 12 stamina for yellow slots. Focus any enchanting on stamina primary, defence secondarily when he gets over the defence cap. (Also Accuracy > Mongoose, but you will barely notice those differences).

As for threat, he shouldn't focus much on the difference between sunders and devastates. On a total bossfight threat list you're talking about absolutely nothing. He should just focus on the big picture and keep that under control to start with, since he seems to have some serious basic problems if he loses threat on PW against DPS'ers (given, losing to a good DK who's off-tanking isn't really much to be ashamed of). Shield Slam > Revenge > Shockwave > Conc. Blow > Thunder Clap > Devastate. Of course untill sunders are up, put Devastate somewhat higher in the rotation.

On any bossfight, if you see your rage is jumping around (and over) 50 rage. Start using (see: spamming) Heroic Strike. Just make sure that when you get low on rage, you don't choke your other abilities from rage. I think this is his biggest problem.

Shield block is off GCD, just pop it when it gets off cooldown + a few seconds, so you can time it right before the next Shield Slam. Also don't forget shield bash (the interrupt) has no GCD, so it's a decent rage dump. He should learn on which class to put Vigilance (the threat transfer thing) your guild will always have 1 person highest on the TPS (and DPS) list most likely.

He can also engage the boss by popping recklessness, berserker rage and then using heroic throw - he will have less trouble getting his TPS on a nice margin straight away.

If he just keeps those 3 guide lines (spec, gemming and rotation) in mind for Ulduar; he should do well enough.

It's nice to see a DK take interest in an other classes' way of tanking.