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Old 06/26/09, 10:30 PM   #5701
Kistrel
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Greymane
I did some dummy testing on the PTR to get myself ready for raiding there. From what I found Unholy subspec with Slow (main)/ Fast (off) did the best for me and the Sigil of Awareness, as I suspected, was by far the best of the three choices (new one on PTR only and Vengeful Heart were the others). Of note, the new Sigil has almost a 100% uptime @ 200 strength and it did god awful dps compared to either of the older sigils (in the 3-500 less dps range). To be fair though, I was testing Last Laugh in my off-hand compared to Silent Crusader though, so it's a bit inconclusive if it's just weapon dps or speed that mattered for off-hand, since there is a weapon dps gap between the two.

I tested 13/51/7 and 0/51/20, both with IT, OB, and FS glyphs, for reference.

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Old 06/26/09, 10:35 PM   #5702
swf
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Mage
 
Doomhammer
A bit off topic, but perhaps I'm not alone in wondering what background our resident genius Aldriana has. Are you a coder/mathematician? Autodidactic prodigy?

Sorry if this was mentioned elsewhere

Thanks for your efforts to the community.

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Old 06/26/09, 11:01 PM   #5703
StaxRexx
Glass Joe
 
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Night Elf Warrior
 
Rexxar
lol I didn't think that'd still be in the Armory I've logged in and out with my Fury Gear on like 5 times today.
I'm pretty sure I was using '07 when I got the windfury error but maybe its just the 97/03 version. Not sure if Landsoul works on 2 seperate versions or converts or what. Well I tried im not sure if the 03 version would act differently if opened with 07 software so I'm probably done trying to figure this one out.

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Old 06/27/09, 3:34 AM   #5704
Lazengann
Glass Joe
 
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Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Illidan
Knowing this may be the wrong thread to post this, but from my testing on the PTR, I know Unholy is still iffy due to UB being bug'd, it seems that Blood will be on top for the most part of 2 handed specs/DPS with T9, no set bonus, and the new sigil.

The DW build may out DPS it, but I haven't had the chance to try it first hand. All I can say is that patch 3.2 might be good for you Blood DKs.

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Old 06/27/09, 6:17 AM   #5705
Luthar
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Terenas (EU)
Arm pen gems

I see many people now a days that are equipped to high end ulduar gear fully gemed with armor penetration, can you please tell me if that's decent or exactly why they do this? Is it the next level of geming? (im pretty new to elitist so im not sure if this has been disgust)

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Old 06/27/09, 6:26 AM   #5706
Dizzide
 
Night Elf Death Knight
 
Saurfang (EU)
Hi im a first time poster on this forum.. Have been reading here for awhile now..

I was wondering if any could try out the 26/45/0 spec? i personally dont got good gear. I got pre-naxx and naxx 10 items and i did 3k dps with it.. I did it with slow/fast with fc/fc and unholy presence, HOW and 5 stacks of frost vulnerability on the heroric dummy..

my stats.

Str: 1048
Ap: 633
Melee Hit %: 12.38%
Spell Hit %: 15.48%
Melee Crit %: 28.24%
Spell Crit %: 20.07%
Expertise %: 4.75%

Screenshot

i know this dosent show how the spec is but, i think its worth trying it..

Last edited by Dizzide : 06/27/09 at 6:47 AM.

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Old 06/27/09, 8:09 AM   #5707
Unregistered
 
Undead Death Knight
 
Kil'Jaeden (EU)
Hello, i'm reading a long time now and there was no need to post until now^^

Im testing 10/54/7 atm and got a strange result with (the nerved) SotVH, SoV and SoA !

My Experience was ( ok, my gear is not that good ... BUT ) my dps went up with SoA and NOT with the others ( SoV was worst ).
My Ob counted with ~35% No. 1, Fs with ~27% No.2 in recount. Ok, i knew it before, im buffing Ob now and not Fs, but in the same way my dps go ~300 up!

It still was on a Dummy and so on, but the difference still exist in an Raid-environment ( imho ).

Rotation with all sigils: it-ps-ob-bs-bs-(fs dump)-ob-ob-ob-(fs dump) on rime-procs hb ( prioritized ) .

Equipment: armory :: but with this helm, this neck and this mh / oh (slow/fast) and finaly these boots

Edit: Mh (cg/ri - nearly the same results) / oh fc

Anyone got similar results, or is this just b/c my equip is not good enough to support the other sigils?


Sorry for my bad english, im from Germany ^.^

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Old 06/27/09, 8:18 AM   #5708
Constadine
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Kul Tiras (EU)
Originally Posted by Dizzide View Post
Hi im a first time poster on this forum.. Have been reading here for awhile now..

I was wondering if any could try out the 26/45/0 spec? i personally dont got good gear. I got pre-naxx and naxx 10 items and i did 3k dps with it.. I did it with slow/fast with fc/fc and unholy presence, HOW and 5 stacks of frost vulnerability on the heroric dummy..

my stats.

Str: 1048
Ap: 633
Melee Hit %: 12.38%
Spell Hit %: 15.48%
Melee Crit %: 28.24%
Spell Crit %: 20.07%
Expertise %: 4.75%

Screenshot

i know this dosent show how the spec is but, i think its worth trying it..
I changed yout spec into http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...&version=10026, running a rotation like OB-OB-BS-BS...RPD...6xBS in UP. Its basicaly the same philosophy like 6xIT machine gun.Not sure tho if its better than running a standard double disease frost rotation like IT-PS-BS-BS-OB..RPD..OB-PS- IT-IT-IT cause in the first case running a 6xBS rotation produces 120RP per rotation and in the second case u produce 170 RP per rotation (if im not mistaken).
Is there a chance to try this out and evaluate its worth ??I am still w8ing to copy my char in the PTR.

Tnx in advance.

Last edited by Constadine : 06/27/09 at 9:06 AM.

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Old 06/27/09, 11:08 AM   #5709
Velenorx
Glass Joe
 
Troll Hunter
 
Sen'jin (EU)
Originally Posted by joebox View Post
I'm a troll MM. I recently got the Magnetized Projectile Emitter. Up until then I have been using Siren's Cry. My only question would be is the MPE better than SC if I don't need the hit? I would think SC is better for the troll racial, just not sure if one out weighs the other.
First off: use the Spreadsheet.

But on the topic: I am Troll Hunter as well. In both specs, SV and MM, Siren's Cry is for me at least best non-Hard Mode Weapon. It is even better than Skyforged Crossbow. That's how potent that Racial is.

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Old 06/27/09, 11:52 AM   #5710
Yourdemise
 
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Shu'halo
could somebody check my character out and tell me which frost spec of those 3 would be best with my gear/stats. Im currently blood and wanted to try frost out before the next patch.
Characters name is Yourdemise
realm-Shu'halo
Guild-Swords and ale
if u could also post the best glyphs for the spec u recommend it will be appreciated.

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Old 06/27/09, 3:16 PM   #5711
itwasluck
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warrior
 
Undermine
mace

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Old 06/27/09, 4:16 PM   #5712
Acidor
 
Dwarf Warrior
 
Blackrock (EU)
ARP or STR?

Hi guys !

Got a question about the gemming! Can someone tell me now whats better gemming ARP or STR

I got GT + GRIMM as trinkets

and got 39 % passiv ARP but still got some STR gems its like 50/50 on my armor!

What are the caps now or for how much passive ARP is it worth to gem?

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Old 06/27/09, 5:19 PM   #5713
phimuajedi69
 
Blood Elf Warlock
 
Aerie Peak
Originally Posted by eredor View Post
SPECDPSChange
Warlock_T8_00_13_58_WEB 7780 0.00%
Warlock_T8_00_13_58_BACKLASH2OF3 7726 -0.69%
Warlock_T8_00_13_58_PYRO2OF3 7719 -0.78%
Warlock_T8_00_13_58_EMPIMP2OF3 7711 -0.89%
Warlock_T8_00_13_58 7703 -0.99%
Warlock_T8_00_13_58_ISL1OF2 7701 -1.02%
Warlock_T8_00_13_58_SAF4OF5 7648 -1.70%
Warlock_T8_00_13_58_FB4OF5 7607 -2.22%
Warlock_T8_00_13_58_EMBER4OF5 7531 -3.20%
Warlock_T8_00_13_58_BACKDRAFT2OF3 7500 -3.60%
Thanks for these numbers eredor, been thinking about finding a second point fo threat reduction for a while now. Just noticed a couple unexplored options that I hope you have time to take a look at to see how they compare to the others:

1) 1/2 Demonic power
2) 2/3 Demonic Aegis (technically makes the build 0/12/59), probably one of the worst options but for completness it is an option

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Old 06/27/09, 6:14 PM   #5714
Ehtheratti
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Warrior
 
Kel'Thuzad
grim toll/mjr @ HIGH passive ArP

I'm currently sitting at 645 ArP, for 52.37% "mouseover" ArP, 62.37% in Battle Stance. When GT procs, I'm about 10% over the ArP cap, wasting a chunk of the proc.

I plan to get additional ArP upgrades in the near future, including Drape of the Drakerider, Bitter Cold Armguards, and Twirling Blades. This will be an additional 114 ArP, a grand total of 759 ArP.

At what point of passive ArP does it no longer make sense to use GT/MJR, and to use Pyrite Infuser/BotOG instead?

OR

Would it make more sense to continue using GT/MJR, and just gem some ArP back to Str to try and maintain a lower level of passive ArP and thereby not waste such a huge chunk of the GT/MJR proc?

I understand that this could probably be answered by Rawr and/or Landsoul's spreadsheet, but I can't get Rawr to work on my Mac, and my version of Excel is rather old and I get a ton of errors w/ the spreadsheet, in addition to not being able to load my armory profile.

Thanks in advance.

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Old 06/27/09, 6:39 PM   #5715
Soulvex
Von Kaiser
 
Undead Rogue
 
Black Dragonflight
This is what myself and the other rogue say. I constantly bring up the fact that he doesn't even have a rogue over level 1, but he's just ignorant. If my dps is low I'm blaming it on my mainhand, one of my rings and my blue trinket. I consider myself a good player and have devoted 99% of my wow playtime to my rogue as I have one alt. But yea, I never thought to even ask him for the parses of these amazing rogues. Moreover, it's not even 8k on a specific fight, it's just "Tell me why don't do 8k dps and don't blame it on gear." Kind of silly, I know, but thought I'd get some opinions here first as you should be able to see my gear. And this feral has always had better gear than me anyway. RL just has unrealistic expectations right now and DPS is not even one of our raids weakpoints - it's actually pretty high from what I can tell. He's also a resto druid and is not agreeing with the feral nerf (go figure).

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Old 06/27/09, 6:54 PM   #5716
loganray
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Death Knight
 
Draka
Other then ITx6 what is currently (pre 3.2) the most competitive frost spec and rotation? Single or double disease and 17/51/3? I am usually Blood but got Sigil of VH and wanted to give Frost a real shot.

The World of Warcraft Armory

Though in frost spec I will be using BoH not the Ironsoul.

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Old 06/27/09, 6:54 PM   #5717
itwasluck
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warrior
 
Undermine
best weapon

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Old 06/27/09, 7:20 PM   #5718
Minifridge
Von Kaiser
 
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Goblin Priest
 
Kalecgos
Originally Posted by Acidor View Post
Hi guys !

Got a question about the gemming! Can someone tell me now whats better gemming ARP or STR

I got GT + GRIMM as trinkets

and got 39 % passiv ARP but still got some STR gems its like 50/50 on my armor!

What are the caps now or for how much passive ARP is it worth to gem?
Sigh.

For specific gear questions use the spreadsheet Warrior DPS Calculation Spreadsheet.

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Old 06/27/09, 7:27 PM   #5719
SpoonfulOfMacheath
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Darkspear
Originally Posted by Griefknight View Post
I'm going to take a guess here and say that some fights Unholy will be the best, Frost for some, and Blood for the others.
Yeah thats what I'm afraid of...wtb Triple Specs?

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Old 06/27/09, 7:35 PM   #5720
Disargeria
Piston Honda
 
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Human Death Knight
 
Boulderfist
Originally Posted by SpoonfulOfMacheath View Post
The Future of Unholy tanking builds.
-Unholy tanking to me was how I did trash, DND/UB/BB was more than enough to keep me miles ahead of my guild's overzealous dps and AE classes on all things AoE. Without UB I fear that the AE superiority that Unholy enjoys will go by the wayside. With its already "meh" single target threat (mildly buffed by the new UB mechanic) Unholy to me is no longer a really viable tanking spec.

Unfortunately this leads me to believe that the only option left to me is Blood. Still capable of high EH pools and enough self healing to take a little bit of the edge off of those fights that have healers biting their nails, Blood is looking great. Still the highest Single target Threat and now capable of enough high dmg BB spam to hold decent AoE aggro It looks like that is the way I will be going.
I'm toying around with this one right now:

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...&version=10026

Seems like it'll have great aoe threat (15 sec DnD, strong diseases, strong Blood Boil), solid single target threat, Veteran of the Third War and stupidly high magic mitigation. You can take a point out of desecration if you've got a snare available and put it into AMZ, too.

It still needs to be raid tested though, so I'll report back when I can find a decent Naxx pug on the PTR.

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Old 06/27/09, 9:29 PM   #5721
Castrathene
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warrior
 
Arthas
Ok so I've been a reader for a while, first time posting, with that.. here goes.

I've been Arms since 3.1 and have been gemming ArP since I hit 30% from gear but I'm pretty sure I have the gear to go Fury now. I've decided i'm gonna go Imp Cleave spec but is rage regen that big of an issue? I'm still unsure whether or not I need to regem all my gear to +Str or keep the ArP. Also still a little unsure whether or not having 50% ArP w/ a Grim Toll or Mjolniir Runestone is good or if i should get more as far as going past the cap goes...

Any help would be nice ^^

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Old 06/27/09, 10:28 PM   #5722
Rani
Von Kaiser
 
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Troll Shaman
 
Sporeggar (EU)
Originally Posted by Razzberry View Post
Were people honestly expecting Blizzard to make 20 (30 when you include Season 7) completely different models of gear this patch?
Yes.

Blizzard is getting millions of dollars from their players on a monthly basis. I expect them not to recycle art for a major contect patch, even if they will have to spend a few thousands on artists.

Why do you expect so little of them?

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Old 06/28/09, 12:36 AM   #5723
Meccatorque
 
Gnome Rogue
 
Spinebreaker
PvP build

The guild to Wotlk for rogues is very helpful for PVE. However, I am starting to do some PvP. What is a great pvp build that uses daggers, as I have sinister's revenge and murder? Also does the stronger weapon go in the mainhand? Where does the faster weapon go? What poisons should I use? Enchants? Gems? glyphs? Tyvm.

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Old 06/28/09, 12:52 AM   #5724
Luci666
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Aggramar
resto shaman question

I just RE-speced my ELE shaman into resto. Im aiming into making him really good at Healing in raids for single healing and multiple healing. Im just wondering on wat stats to stack on or have the most off for example: haste rating,intellect,crit strick, mana regen etc. And i also need some guidance on the enhancements ,enchantments and wat kind of gems to put on my gear. I would appreciate any help or tips.

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Old 06/28/09, 3:45 AM   #5725
dfscott
Von Kaiser
 
Human Priest
 
Windrunner
Originally Posted by Bjork View Post
Stam + Run speed on boots. Always.
This.

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