Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 234

Neflite · 04/16/09, 3:12 AM

Has anyone already got a chart including the conflag nerf.....concerning a comparison to alle Raiding 3.1 Speccs?
The forums already talk about a 50% nerf instead of 30%.....if that's truth, i can't believe 0/40/31 will still be on top (excluding DG-Speccs)

tkoreaper · 04/16/09, 3:15 AM

Originally Posted by Neflite

Has anyone already got a chart including the conflag nerf.....concerning a comparison to alle Raiding 3.1 Speccs?
The forums already talk about a 50% nerf instead of 30%.....if that's truth, i can't believe 0/40/31 will still be on top (excluding DG-Speccs)

Look at this Thread: Simulationcraft on post-3.1 specs
It already shows that 0/40/31 is no longer top DPS, and that's WITH the conflag nerf.

Maztrim · 04/16/09, 3:20 AM

hello everyone i was wondering about the rotation below 35% , would you still be applying Dots and conflag while weaving ? or would you just stick to the weaving 2:1, 1:1 rotation? thankyou

jeanvaljean · 04/16/09, 3:39 AM

Originally Posted by Maztrim

hello everyone i was wondering about the rotation below 35% , would you still be applying Dots and conflag while weaving ? or would you just stick to the weaving 2:1, 1:1 rotation? thankyou

You should still definitely weave, as you can see in the charts, the damage pr. execution time of immolate, the two shadow dots, and in particular, conflagrate is still very high, so definitely worth it. Particularly because immolate is a must for incinerates, and shadow dots have the chance of buffing your fire damage through molten core.

VenomByte · 04/16/09, 4:36 AM

Originally Posted by tkoreaper

I was thinking... shouldn't Cataclysm be pretty much a worthless spec? I mean, with the Life Tap glyph you're expected to life tap every 20 seconds so what difference would reducing mana cost of destruction spells make? It came to my attention as I was speccing for affliction and I noticed 1 spare point is left and it's put in to Cataclysm. Isn't there somewhere else that we could put that to get more use out of that point?

My thoughts exactly. I have decided to put the spare point in Fel Synergy, since my pet management isn't great and they croak more often than I would like. The other option I was considering was a point in Grim Reach, for those occasions where a little extra flexibility comes in very handy. Both options seem better than Cataclysm.

Hemfive · 04/16/09, 4:45 AM

Originally Posted by Valca

Since our guild is in need of one DK i rerolled from Retri to DK.
God i cant understand you. Everything at the Retri elitistjerks forum is easy and understandable but the way Dk forum is, is just weird. Why do you post a blood frost and unholy dps topic. There must be 1 superiour so why keep talking about the other 2? Its just a mess for someone who wants to learn Dk to read through all this nonsense. "I use this rotation" "I use that rotation". There must be 1 rotation for single dps for instance which is superiour to the rest.

/agree

It's very hard to find an accurate answer on DK's questions. Maybe because the class is new (not too much now ...).
I was 00/32/39 on 3.0.9 and now I can't find a way to maximize my dps with a solid build.
With that spec I was the top dpser of my guild (it is my role and I want to do it in the best way my class can do)... yesterday I was 4° or 5° under paladin, warlock and shaman... :|

I used unholy 00/10/61 and 12/00/59, used the correct rotations posted, but the dps of both didn't satisfy me.

I pass lot of time reading and mumbling on all the spec posted in unholy/blood/frost/dw topics, but it is really hard to find an answer or the time to try everything... And like I sayd above the right answer is still not known.

Personally I envy the "esay-build" paladins can use to maximaze their damage. There is only one build and only one rotation to do the "damage dealer job" at the top, after that, you have only to consider your gear and your latency/attention/skill in game.

I hope one day there will be an answer for DKs too.

tobbe · 04/16/09, 5:13 AM

Really nice and simple post Aldriana! keep up the good work

Kamamaji · 04/16/09, 5:58 AM

Originally Posted by Illijilli

Also with conflag nerfed or "fixed" as it's being called, 40/31 is predicted to fall short of 41/30's performance.

PvE nerfs on the basis of PvP balance. Deep joy.. I was really enjoying 0/40/31 aswell.

leino · 04/16/09, 6:07 AM

Originally Posted by Kamamaji

PvE nerfs on the basis of PvP balance. Deep joy.. I was really enjoying 0/40/31 aswell.

idd, that's what I thought aswell when I saw the nerf. On the other hand, I'm enjoying the meta spec atm tho. peaking at 8-9k during heroisms is fun. The 0/41/30 spec is still a solid performer and easy to play aswell.

Edimasta · 04/16/09, 6:12 AM

How about using the Glyphe "Disease" ?? Gives you 1 more DS per Rotation.
Nobody trying that out?

As far as I have tested, DRW really seems a bit odd... I don't know if it is a real good idea to take it.

Kamamaji · 04/16/09, 6:24 AM

I really don't like the Felguard.. and I don't like "easy to play" either.. reverting to 1 button shadowbolt spam is not my idea of fun. Guess I'm going back to affliction as it competes better than decimate/conflag now. 100g for respec and reglyh please Blizzard? Right, didn't think so, thanks for nothing.

watchyoursyx · 04/16/09, 7:35 AM

i got a 10 man naxx weapon (kt's reach)
as my MH atm

but i have angry dread waiting in my bank which does more DPS
u think i should switch to angry dread instead before i drop a better fist or sword?

or should i just keep my KT's reach?

also killing spree glyph.. will that really improve my dps that much?
or should i just keep my SnD?

im 4/5 t7.5 VALOURUS with chestguard of the recluse as my chest
should i wait unti ive collected about 3 t8's before i switch the gears?

and lastly .. why is +agi gems the obvious choice once u have t8? i dont understand the logic behind it

p0tluck · 04/16/09, 8:29 AM

i am currently 0/40/31 with modified changes to the spec u posted i am at 2302 sp 28% crit with no talents .. 518 haste without Master spellstone.. hit is at 368 no points in supression there was a hot fix to conflagerate dropping it from 100% to 70% because blizz said they made locks the ultimate powerhouse with that much damage from conflag i mean yes it was over powered doing 18 k crits but what about mages using their frostfire bolts critting for 20 k i mean wow we went from being 3k - 3500 k dps to 5800 dps thats a big gain but we needed the increase due to last patch we got hammered so my question is this since they did a hot fix on conflagerate and its only critting for upwards of 8-11 k is 0/40/31 worth speccing or is the full destro with conflag backdraft the way to go from the backdraft talent giving u 3 destruction spells at 0.95 sec per cast i havent did the math on it yer maybe someone can assist is seeing if the full destro spec does more damage then decimate and conflag spec due to the nerf " after the rolling restarts today on elune conflags dont even do 8 k highest one i critted was 5800 "

RynoKenny · 04/16/09, 8:29 AM

Very nice, great to lay down the established specs and wpns so that the same questions won't take up 80% of the other threads and allows us to get deeper into theorycrafting.

RynoKenny · 04/16/09, 8:44 AM

There should be a 239 dagger imo

the new fist makes me just desire going combat because of how much more epic it seems