Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 236

tedoubledy · 04/16/09, 5:44 PM

I know its only thursday...but what do we know so far?

Which specs are excelling? Could someone comment with the best spec for each of the talents? (i.e. mut, combat, hat, what weapons, glyphs, poisons and rotations?)

I know the spreadsheets have it all there, but I want to see if people have tested in actual practice rather than just theory as theory is in the best case scenario.

I've never done HAT as i didn't like that it was so dependent on raid make up, esp since my guild never runs a full consistent 25 man team, and I was combat for a while but switched to muti when i got my 2nd WD and now am using SR/WD. I don't want to go back to combat unless i get some awesome fist off ulduar so I would like to stay muti if it is really beating combat, but I somehow doubt that it is.

What are peoples thoughts? in practicality what spec is best? and what poisons and glyphs would u use for that spec?

heemo · 04/16/09, 5:49 PM

Anyone else finding decimate extremely frustrating on encounters where the boss is being moved around or you're having to move around (basically everything)?

I'm leaning towards going back to affliction because of this and because I'm still uncertain why deep demo (even non-meta) specs jumped up in dps in the latest sim runs. DG downtime is less now, so you can have it out for 1/3-1/4 of attempts and even without it, I still tend to think affliction is as good or better than deep demo.

It really sucks that destro just isn't viable anymore since i was really looking forward to a change in playstyle.

FYI, the conflag hotfix didn't go live until later in the evening yesterday, so if your destro specs "felt" okay last night, that could be why.

Toxxulian · 04/16/09, 8:19 PM

I believe you are correct in the sense that once we get all the glyphs (haunt/life tap) affliction will be top again, but until then (probably another 3ish days for most) 41/30 is going to be better just because of the ease in glyphs.

Spofy · 04/16/09, 9:43 PM

Hi guys, i know loot is still kind of a mistery for some bosses etc, but is there any BiS list in progress?

Zaiviys · 04/16/09, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by Lurker37

There is no rotation here.

The first 'actions' line isn't part of what you cast during the fight - it's the stuff you do before the pull. It tells the simulator what self-buffs you have, and what you have summoned.

The second 'actions' line is a list of priorities and conditions, not an order in which to cast spells.

So it's a check list the simulator goes through every GCD.

1) Is the Life Tap Glyph's spellpower buff on? If not then life tap, else continue to 2).

2) Do you have the Decimate Buff? If so the cast Soulfire. Otherwise continue to 3)

3)Do any dots need refreshing and is target health >=35? If so then renew DoTs, (if more than one dot needs refreshing then your order of priority is Immolate, CoA, Corruption). Otherwise go to 4)

4) Cast incinerate (or life tap if OOM, which you shouldn't be if you're life tapping every 20 seconds for the buff.)

Ok, thank you for clearing that up. Makes more sense now, though I'm still lost on what the rotation should be.. I'll keep checking around.

lostmymojo · 04/17/09, 12:49 AM

binkenstein made an excellent post for everyone in his blog. I highly suggest everyone check out his other blog post as well. Even though most of the information that people want can be found in this thread.

http://elitistjerks.com/blogs/binken...hs_totems.html

edit spelling, etc

Vinha · 04/17/09, 2:57 AM

I've been doing little testing with new talents, but I'm not sure to decide is it good to have full renew talents.

What you guys think about this spec? 13/58/0

I didn't pick Inner Focus because OO5SR doesn't regen so much. I don't know how useful Healing Focus is in Ulduar, but maybe you can post some comments about that.

I tend to use alot Flash Heal, along with CoH and PoH. PoM is up all the time. Greater Heal consists like 5-10% of my heals - should I be using that more with new Serenpidity?

Usually my job is to handle raid and assist on tank, if needed.

Nannou · 04/17/09, 4:16 AM

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Celsius · 04/17/09, 4:16 AM

Originally Posted by Vinha

I've been doing little testing with new talents, but I'm not sure to decide is it good to have full renew talents.

What you guys think about this spec? 13/58/0

I didn't pick Inner Focus because OO5SR doesn't regen so much. I don't know how useful Healing Focus is in Ulduar, but maybe you can post some comments about that.

I tend to use alot Flash Heal, along with CoH and PoH. PoM is up all the time. Greater Heal consists like 5-10% of my heals - should I be using that more with new Serenpidity?

Usually my job is to handle raid and assist on tank, if needed.

I'm far from an expert in holy, but a few things strike me as odd here.
Yes, in my opinion you should be using greater heal more than you are, and thus pick up both Serendipity and Holy Fury. I'd also pick up empowered healing.
I'd drop Spell Warding and the renew boosters but keep one point in Emp. Renew just to get that instant heal. The jury's apparently still out on going for Renew or not, but I'm in the "no" camp myself. There are better ways to spend 6 talent points.

On second thought, not sure you linked to the correct spec, since Inner focus is taken in that spec and you claimed to have skipped it.

Aeiri · 04/17/09, 4:55 AM

Are those numbers right? I mean I can understand affliction being up at the top with its scaling with all the new gear...but only a ~300dps different from using a doomguard and a succubus? Am I missing something here...

Vinha · 04/17/09, 5:10 AM

Originally Posted by Celsius

I'm far from an expert in holy, but a few things strike me as odd here.
Yes, in my opinion you should be using greater heal more than you are, and thus pick up both Serendipity and Holy Fury. I'd also pick up empowered healing.
I'd drop Spell Warding and the renew boosters but keep one point in Emp. Renew just to get that instant heal. The jury's apparently still out on going for Renew or not, but I'm in the "no" camp myself. There are better ways to spend 6 talent points.

On second thought, not sure you linked to the correct spec, since Inner focus is taken in that spec and you claimed to have skipped it.

I'm truly sorry, I linked the wrong link there. Here's the correct one: 13/58/0

Please, comments on that again.

Sharajat · 04/17/09, 5:34 AM

Originally Posted by Vinha

I'm truly sorry, I linked the wrong link there. Here's the correct one: 13/58/0

Please, comments on that again.

I'd pick up at least 2/3 Test of Faith over 2/3 Emp Renew. 8% more healing on the targets that need it the most is very nice. It'll never be overhealing, you'll always get value for that 8%.

I know people say "Test of Faith is worthless you shouldn't let your raids get that low" which was true in Noxromulus, but Ulduar has tons of nasty raid damage, and just saying "they never get that low" ignores the fact that they really do. CoH is smart, and shall always be hitting the lowest person, PoH is dumb, but should always hit at least 1-2 low people, PoM goes off on people who get low all the time.

I'm actually thinking of cutting 1/3 Emp Renew and just going all in on Test of Faith.

Glasswizard · 04/17/09, 5:49 AM

After our first Ulduar raid yesterday I'm thinking about giving up on a little throughput/utility from deep holy and getting Mental Agility + Mental Strength.
The World of Warcraft Armory Seems a worthwhile tradeoff to me.

AlyseNW · 04/17/09, 6:15 AM

Could you please answer my question guys? #1402

Renzho · 04/17/09, 7:33 AM

Hi everybody,

Last nigth was our first session on Ulduar (after a really laggy patch day on wednesday) and I really got annoyed/confused with the loot of 1st boss (leviathan whatever) .

Thing is I got [Mechanist's Bindings] ilevel226 and replace my old [Advanced Tooled-Leather Bands] ilevel 200 from heroic LH. After equipped I got very surprised 'cos I only gained +11 ap, +20 armor, some more crits with my current equip/build (combat) (which is not really good honestly, mostly blues from heroics).

Im aware there are some tricky items on every raid instance which are a lot less good quality than they seem to be on paper, but:

is it normal so sligth difference between 2 steps ilevels items (200 -226)?

Playing with the EP scales (for combat) I got:

330,52 [Mechanist's Bindings]
241,38 [Advanced Tooled-Leather Bands]

Almost a 100 EP points of difference between them but with a really dissappointing improvement in practice...

what do you all think about it?