Tidied up a bit recently. I found that I could fix a lot of long-time problems with my interface by not displaying my minimap - however the fading feature on SexyMap appears to be slightly buggy, in that when you tell it to fade to transparent, it only fades out the actual "map" and the UI around it, while leaving the dots of things you're tracking still visible (until you mouseover).
This is amazing!
There's almost no circumstance where I care about anything other than where and what tracked dots are, the background map doesn't actually matter. And when I really care about the map I'll use a fullscreen overlay centred on myself anyway (again with just the dots, no actual map textures), for instance when I'm mining.
I just hit 80 on my Shadown Priest and have read a lot in this thread. One thing I noticed is that it says not to use SWP until several debuffs are on the boss. This supposes that SWP uses the debuffs that are active when it is cast rather then the debuffs that are active when it ticks. Are we sure it doesn't do the latter?
The biggest mistake you made is to test on a dummy. Please use either the sims or provide some real-raid test instead.
Second point is, 3 points in Blood Caked Blade is better put in Subversion, given that you are using as much OB, BS as possible. It's what I found out in the sims. Since you're using 2x Slow each point in BCB gives a little bit over 0.8% dps per point, while 1 point in Subversion gives a bit over 1% dps per point (this is a special talent that favors fast weapons). The sims will show this clearly, and even though the difference in dps won't be that big, Subversion will win out because of its utility (-25% threat will help you a lot in practice).
Since this is all about dps theory crafting and such I was wanting to ask if someone had ever conducted tests threat-wise/Mana wise.
Without the use of Soulshatter which build builds threat faster?
Without the use of Life Tap which Spec is more mana efficient before having to life tap?
I ask these questions because it can help in hardmodes such as general vezzax.
I always wondered if there was a certain build that could last longer without mana regen even if it's just a few thousand while mainting dps.
Please give me some tips or insight with personal experiences or testing?
Maybe we should test these factors besides dps because some fights require a differnet strategy.
so is there something im missing here? i have 22 dodge 20 parry 542 def 25k armro 23k hp. im frost atm. i burn the cool downs at the right times and yet i still seem to take a shit ton of dmg healer is pretty damn good, but why am i taking so much dmg :-/
As unlikely as it is for this to happen, perhaps Blizz can make specialized servers where there is 100% Horde/Alliance interaction, where PvP is restricted to Arena and Battlegrounds. I have no idea how it would work exactly, but then again, the same goes with faction changes themselves. This method would prevent the need to switch factions, because you would be able to raid, quest, PvP, or do whatever with members of the opposite faction. This would prevent people from having to lose rep, vanity items, etc. while at the same time being able to interact with freinds who are of the opposite faction. The main problem I could forsee with this is obviously that you would end up most likely leaving friends behind on previous servers, but not all plans are flawless I suppose.
I generall dont have TOO terribly much trouble with almost all PvE gear, all I have is a PvP neck piece, and i still can do some serious damage, as long as i have at least a little bit of room to cast. Also, i generall dont have problems with healing classes other than priests. That penance is a bitch, and a lot of the time my CS is down, so i cant do anything about it. Other than that (and OP ret pallies), i generally can do fairly well in BGs, and usually come 1st place in HKs, KBs, and damage done.
My personal calculations show that even with the optimal spec and execution via maximising Steady Shots, ArPen does not outperform Agility in theory until around the 650 ArPen mark without an ArPen trinket. This threshold is a bit lower at 550 or so when an ArPen trinket is thrown into the mix.
Unfortunately, even at the 650 ArPen threshold you may see yourself peform lower than a full agility build due because of the following 2 points:
1) At the thresholds, ArPen and Agility are still neck and neck and differences in theoretical damage might not be as noticeable as actual RNG.
2) The Chimera, Aimed, 3x (or 4x) Steady Shot rotation might not be executed perfectly and would, therefore, underperform compared to the normal MM priority which includes Arcane Shot. Remember, you will still be shooting Arcane during times of movement when your Chimera and Aimed are on cooldown.
So Tulkass, while still under the threshold where ArPen outperforms Agility I would advise against gemming for ArPen. Even at the threshold, RNG may skew results in favor of Agility.
Big thanks for info. Since i payed 400g to regem I will test this setup anyway
Anyway with 5 stacks of sunden armor on boss it gives 62%+ armor reduction which is quite a lot...
Hope for my trinket next week...
Most ulduar progression tanks are running with as little BV gear as possible.
Sorry, where does this comment come from? I mean your information or thought process to back such a claim? Not being an ass, just looking for facts and then why are said facts the facts. Ok fine, i run a tank in Ulduar and i have a fair amount of block gear on. I know i run higher than i should but even as a Tankadin some of the threat whores i run with it has done me really well in there. :-)
The disadvantages of SBV in current 3.1 Ulduar tanking has thoroughly been gone through in some older posts in the 3.0 Prot Pala thread. You can find all the numbers there; it is hardly anything that the tanks on EJ have decided not to dig in to.
However, come 3.2 and the buff to SBV it once again might become a viable alternative tanking stat.
If you are interested in reading about 3.2 SBV you can read the first page in this thread, I recall a few posts on the subject there.
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Sorry, where does this comment come from? I mean your information or thought process to back such a claim? Not being an ass, just looking for facts and then why are said facts the facts. Ok fine, i run a tank in Ulduar and i have a fair amount of block gear on. I know i run higher than i should but even as a Tankadin some of the threat whores i run with it has done me really well in there. :-)
Grimm
Not being an ass, but it comes from people who have actually done hard modes. Or with full ulduar experience.
Nearly all sbv gear in ulduar has block rating on it, which is a stat with a net effect of.. nothing, considering you can press your holy shield button in time.
When bosses do normal hits of 25k+, sbv devalues and avoidance inflates.
well i think the main problem with the mana regen in WotlK is the same as in TBC. on low tier raid instances the dmg the MT take is realy low compared to later. you could heal the tank realy easy and there are no real probloems. nnow in the next raiding tier the tank have more equip and some awsome avoidance. the only way to solve the problem that it should be challenging ist to let the boss to hit harder.
And ich think personaly exactly now is the difference between WotlK and TBC becouse of the abilytis of the bosses. aloste every heavy healing fight in ulduar alredy got a "i kill your tank without CD style". so they cant let the bosses hit hardy becouse it would be an instant death without a chance of survive it. so blizzard just cant make the upcomming bosses just more challenging becouse he hits for more. so the only way to improve the challange is over manaregneration.
almoste all paladins say we need to spamm HL becouse the tanks need it.. well yes your right.. so you cant keep up the tank so you need DP rotations.. maybe healers switching to the tank in some moments and so on.
i think bliizard doesnt want us to be tank only healer anymore.. i personaly think they want: 1disziplin prist on the tank and 1-2 holy paladins with beacon on the tank but 100% rnd healing.. maybe 1 druidid rolling hots on the tank. that would be 2 support healers, 1 rolling hots on him for steady healing and massiv amounts of shields on him. ithink this is the way it is going.. maybe im right maybe not but is see it that way...
again sry for my bad english.. and thanks for all who still read it :P
If there is a topic that someone knows please direct me. I've been trying to look all day on the forums but it doesn't seem like theres a topic about it yet.
Can someone check my gemming? Im right now at 39% passive arp would u gem for more ARP? or full STR? can someone give me some advise !
Btw i have noticed that the t8 gear is somehow worse than the non set piece like some nax 25 items??!????
Is the 4 set boni of the t8 any worth it i would loose at lot of AP !
thx 4 advice
A few minutes of effort with the spreadsheet and you can provide all of these answers for yourself. Swap in gems or "inferior" T8 gear. If your DPS goes up, it's better. If it goes down, it's worse. Good luck.
So how is it mysterious if you mention it? Bone Shield is a crappy mitigation cooldown, imo, since it often disappears rapidly in fights. And neither Vampiric Blood nor Rune Tap are damage mitigation, and thus would not fit under the definition of an additional damage mitigation cooldown, such as what Frost has... Unbreakable armor. The main damage mitigation cooldown is obviously Icebound Fortitude, which is available to all DKs, regardless of spec. Thus Frost has two damage mitigation cooldowns, Icebound Fortitude and Unbreakable Armor. Unbreakable Armor is by far not a superior cooldown by any means, but its effect is not negligible and it still adds to my point, that, out of any tree, Frost has THE best mitigation, which some might consider far more important for surviving in fights than being able to heal yourself. That's not your job as a tank, and it only has situational benefits.
Edit: Ultimately, the point being made is to dissuade anyone from actually believing that Frost Tanking is only good for trash, which is what the quoted poster tried to imply. Erroneously so.
07/05/09, 6:45 PM
