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Old 07/08/09, 6:31 PM   #6026
dialect
 
Orc Hunter
 
Sargeras
Originally Posted by Frchorknabe View Post
I have a short question: I noticed that the current best MM spec lists the Serpent Sting Glyph. If I understand shot priority right, it means that CS is cast every time its CD is up, i.e. every 10 seconds, refreshing Serpent Sting which has a duration of 15 seconds. So there's a 5 seconds tolerance window - is it really necessary to increase it to 11 seconds? Since this, imho, is the only effect the Glyph has. Putting something else into it, e.g. Hawk or CS (even though I am not sure if this does not sabotage the Sting-Effect of CS) looks more appealing to me.

Opinions?
The whole point of the SrS glyph is to increase the secondary effect of CS.

EDIT: girthbot beat me to it!

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Old 07/08/09, 6:32 PM   #6027
Varuk
Piston Honda
 
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Draenei Paladin
 
Medivh
Originally Posted by Sepher View Post
nice guide

btw the algalon 10man trinket gives 2 stacks per heal if beacon is up. just a sidenote
That is insane. I envy you so much now.

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Old 07/08/09, 6:40 PM   #6028
funnehman
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Hunter
 
Fenris
I kind of feel like a scrub but I feel like I'm doing something wrong right now, lately I've been getting raped(i haven't done much arena lately, mostly bgs) pretty hard and won't be able to really take anyone out alone. Usually, my attack sequence goes something like (seal of blood) judge of light on my way up to them, CS, DS, maybe consecration if there's lots of people, and by then the enemies usually lost barely any health, then if all my shit's on CD I just wait and do it again. Also, should I be judging pretty much every time it's off CD?

Maybe I just misjudged how playing a pvp ret pally really is after getting raped by quite a few on my hunter.

armory link: The World of Warcraft Armory

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Old 07/08/09, 6:47 PM   #6029
Sepher
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Azshara (EU)
no need to be sarcastic, i guess its nice to know, because there was a discussion between a shaman and a paladin where the shaman said the trinket isn't as good for a pala as it is for a shaman because the paladin cant stack it up fast enough.

(sorry if it wasnt meant that way)

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Old 07/08/09, 6:58 PM   #6030
powersofpain
Banned
 
Human Warrior
 
Eonar
Gemming help

Hey everyone, I just recently dropped enchanting to take up JC, long overdue I know.

Naturally I'm working on getting tokens to get the patterns I want but I've since picked up the +27 STR and EXP gems. I thought I had gemmed myself acurately to maximize stats while keeping EXP capped, etc. but I've had a couple of people tell me I've got gems in the wrong spots, and I just am not seeing it. Let me know if I've done something wrong since I'm just not seeing the error of my gemming. Thanks
Any advice on what I could swap around would be greatly appreciated.

here's my armory info... I linked it becuz the one showing to the left under my name is not correct, I just haven't updated this particular login to point to the new toon as the person below this post pointed out.

The World of Warcraft Armory

Last edited by powersofpain : 07/08/09 at 7:31 PM.

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Old 07/08/09, 7:22 PM   #6031
[sean.awesome]
Banned
 
Human Warrior
 
Draka
Originally Posted by powersofpain View Post
Hey everyone, I just recently dropped enchanting to take up JC, long overdue I know.

Naturally I'm working on getting tokens to get the patterns I want but I've since picked up the +27 STR and EXP gems. I thought I had gemmed myself acurately to maximize stats while keeping EXP capped, etc. but I've had a couple of people tell me I've got gems in the wrong spots, and I just am not seeing it. Let me know if I've done something wrong since I'm just not seeing the error of my gemming. Thanks
Any advice on what I could swap around would be greatly appreciated.

here's my armory info... it's still showing some +8STR and +12Stam gems in like my MH and rings, hopefully it updates by the time people check my armory since I've made a coupel of changes.

The World of Warcraft Armory
There's no need to link your armory we have one right under your name. Secondly, use the spreadsheet.

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Old 07/08/09, 7:23 PM   #6032
Buffbuffpass
 
Human Paladin
 
Whisperwind
Greatness +90int

Do you guys think thist trinket will still be BiS for Paladins come 3.2?

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Old 07/08/09, 7:29 PM   #6033
powersofpain
Banned
 
Human Warrior
 
Eonar
Thats not my correct toon anymore, hence why I linked the correct one, this is an old logon and I didn't feel like going and updating it, etc.

Thanks for being zero help, as I stated, I've done what I thought was correct and was simply looking for feedback... I use Landsoul's spreadsheet, etc. Just wanted an opinion or two...

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Old 07/08/09, 7:32 PM   #6034
chentox
Glass Joe
 
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Alde
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Ragnaros
So, reading almost all of this!!! is still Seal of Command a pvp seal? and other question! Why erase Seal of Blood!!!? i think blizzard just nerf the pallies!

Can some one tell to every one i quiete help about wich glyph and caps now should be the hardest for dps pve?

Thank you all and f..k blizz for nerf us!

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Old 07/08/09, 7:34 PM   #6035
[sean.awesome]
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Human Warrior
 
Draka
Originally Posted by powersofpain View Post
Thats not my correct toon anymore, hence why I linked the correct one, this is an old logon and I didn't feel like going and updating it, etc.

Thanks for being zero help, as I stated, I've done what I thought was correct and was simply looking for feedback... I use Landsoul's spreadsheet, etc. Just wanted an opinion or two...
Your gemming seems fine but you may also want to refer to the spreadsheet. Are you seeing bad numbers from your dps? If so it may not be a gem problem.

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Old 07/08/09, 7:50 PM   #6036
Jackinthegreen
Banned
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Twisting Nether
Originally Posted by chentox View Post
So, reading almost all of this!!! is still Seal of Command a pvp seal? and other question! Why erase Seal of Blood!!!? i think blizzard just nerf the pallies!

Can some one tell to every one i quiete help about wich glyph and caps now should be the hardest for dps pve?

Thank you all and f..k blizz for nerf us!
If you had done your research, you would have seen that Blizz doesn't like the idea of Seal of Blood anymore, mostly because of its high burst damage coupled with the backlash to health.

They are also buffing Seal of Vengeance/Corruption in an effort to lower our Burst DPS, but raise our general fight DPS. The same idea is true for Crusader Strike where they lower its damage but have us using it more. It's not a nerf so much as trying to balance us better.

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Old 07/08/09, 8:20 PM   #6037
Varuk
Piston Honda
 
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Draenei Paladin
 
Medivh
It wasn't sarcasm. I seriously envy you -- that trinket is already monstrous, the fact that the clicky effect is double as good as expected makes it even better.

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Old 07/08/09, 9:39 PM   #6038
Tarasbulba
Banned
 
Human Warrior
 
Khaz'goroth
Hi all

Have read this thread for a while and most recently took interest in people's comments on Mernakleez and others posts.

My specs are at : The World of Warcraft Armory

I suffer from the same fate of not seeming to be able to match other fury dps in guild, even though I think I have similar gear and spec.

Any suggestions on where I am missing with my gemming or specs in general. Yes I am tryin gto get some better trinkets, but am main spec tank but called on to do dps and can't seem to crack 4k in Uld 25 runs.

I follow the same ww/bt/gcd approach as many have posted so just want to check if maybe any thoughts on whether I can swap spme str gems for ArP gems, noting that I am a JC so can add any of the dragon eye gems!

Please note for some reason armory has put in helm as my tanking helm even though I have Iron War Hem equipped!

Thanks
Taras

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Old 07/08/09, 11:03 PM   #6039
Rikky
 
Blood Elf Warlock
 
Malorne
Yeah cause the fight is really bothersome with the dest build

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Old 07/08/09, 11:22 PM   #6040
DalWill
 
Gnome Death Knight
 
Talnivarr (EU)
For me 3/53/15 seems to be giving best results:

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...&version=10072

Blood Presence

Rotation:
IT, PS, OB, BS, BS , FS, FS
OB, OB, FS, OB, FS...FS/Rime

Glyphs: Icy Touch, Obliterate and Frost strike
Sigil: Awareness

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Old 07/08/09, 11:35 PM   #6041
rivereye
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Spirestone
I don't know if this has been discussed, but on fights where we can't use Shred, what would be the best Idol to use, the Mangle or Rip Idol?

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Old 07/08/09, 11:39 PM   #6042
Murna
Piston Honda
 
Tauren Druid
 
Kargath (EU)
From "Cat DPS Guide for Dummies"

Originally Posted by Murna View Post
Which idol should I wear?
If you have to mangle yourself, [Idol of the Corruptor] is BiS for you. If not, then it depends on your ArP. If you are below approx 250 ArP, [Idol of Worship] would be your choice, above that the [Idol of the Ravenous Beast] becomes better. But actually the Rip and Shred idol both grant very similar DPS - the difference is really low.

Mangle if you have to mangle. Rip or shred otherwise...
Since you have to mangle, when you can't shred - Mangle Idol will win.

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Old 07/08/09, 11:41 PM   #6043
Fieryeel
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Thaurissan
Just a point I have to re-confirm with moonkins.

ATM unbuffed in moonkin form, I am looking at something like 21% crit, and up to 440 haste.

I have gotten conflicting views from other druids in my realm, some telling me that after 400 haste, crit becomes more valuable, others telling me that haste is still more important than crit even after I hit my soft haste cap.

What are your opinions?

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Old 07/09/09, 12:39 AM   #6044
Bloodgrip
Banned
 
Orc Shaman
 
Haomarush
I run a Resto Druid, Arms Warrior, and Enhance. We do decent against PMRs (really just depends on who makes the first mistake) we just seem to have alot of problems with Ret/Rogue and anything with a Dest Lock or a Hunter. Highest we got was to 1970, and we are currently trying to get back to 1900...

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Old 07/09/09, 12:41 AM   #6045
Bloodgrip
Banned
 
Orc Shaman
 
Haomarush
Is it worth it to go resto to get to 2050 so I can get the shoulders for enhance?

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Old 07/09/09, 12:46 AM   #6046
Bloodgrip
Banned
 
Orc Shaman
 
Haomarush
This might have been posted at one point, but with the somewhat recent changes to ArP, is it worth it? being that roughly 60% of Enhance Shaman DPS is Melee, and if it isnt worth it, then is it best to just stay as far away from it as possible and just get Crit/Haste/AP items?

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Old 07/09/09, 12:47 AM   #6047
Bloodgrip
Banned
 
Orc Shaman
 
Haomarush
hopefully 3.2 will clear up the ArP drama

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Old 07/09/09, 12:50 AM   #6048
Bloodgrip
Banned
 
Orc Shaman
 
Haomarush
With Feral Spirits and Shamanistic Rage, you should have no problems keeping yourself up

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Old 07/09/09, 12:53 AM   #6049
Tiny^
 
Tauren Druid
 
Wildhammer (EU)
currently the fastest way iv found to making money as a LW is to make 32slot mining bags. it takes about 5-10min to grind the mats and they sell for about 50-60G on the AH. and atm they selling like hot cakes

get the leather from the mammoths in storm peaks collect the meat and if u have cooking you can make even more gold

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Old 07/09/09, 12:53 AM   #6050
Bloodgrip
Banned
 
Orc Shaman
 
Haomarush
This fight is more intense then Yogg for enhance shamans

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