Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 253

Lightbender · 04/27/09, 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by forostie

[Mirror of Truth] or [Loatheb's Shadow]

I was under the impression that Mark of Norgannan and Fury of the Five Flights are both better than these.

Cavaletta · 04/27/09, 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by forostie

[Mirror of Truth] or [Loatheb's Shadow]

Fury of the Five Flights doesn't rank so highly?

And what trinkets would I aim for in ulduar?

♦ forostie · 04/27/09, 1:54 AM

Originally Posted by Lightbender

I was under the impression that Mark of Norgannan and Fury of the Five Flights are both better than these.

[Mark of Norgannon] is very average - raw AP on a trinket is far superior for the time of the proc in terms of a per point increase in DPS (and expertise really should not be an issue assuming you are hitting from behind and have majority 226 gear). [Mirror of Truth] is extremely easy to get and, yes, [Fury of the Five Flights] is better than it, but it's rough as hell to get your hands on.

In Ulduar you'd be looking at [Wrathstone] or [Blood of the Old God] / [Pyrite Infuser] if you need the hit.

Kreion · 04/27/09, 3:19 AM

All the 25man hard loot is now out on mmo champion, let's see the ideas flow for the actual BiS, the optimal gear!

aimson · 04/27/09, 3:49 AM

I dont know how relevant Patchwerk is (or ever was) anymore, but with 0/41/30 (with the change that I only use 4 points in master demonologist and instead use 3/3 molten core) I do 7000 dps on him, without any extra pots of any tricks of the trade etc being used (one flame cap though), in a 3 minute fight. I do not seem to be able to match that with affliction, but maybe I am doing something wrong?

For the 41/30 spec I use lifetap, incinerate and felguard glyph, for affliction I use haunt, lifetap and curse of agony.

Also on the subject, is there any accurate math that is proving that 5/5 master demonologist is better than 3/3 molten core? The calculations I did shows that 3/3 MC is better for 41/30, but its hard to calculate given the randomness of molten core.

Solema · 04/27/09, 3:51 AM

An item with the word "elemental" in its name giving haste is a big fail.Saying spell power in the tooltip and giving haste instead is a big fail too!Yep, sounds like blizz to me! :p
If i had to guess though i'd say its a bug.It is more likely intended to give spell power.

Brennan3775 · 04/27/09, 5:07 AM

I thought the Ironforge Smasher or w/e would be a decent weapon for mace rogues due to it causing 20 more damage per hit than the Titansteel Bonecrusher that I've grown accustomed to using, (and with great effect, as many of my guildies would attest to.) but it turns out the stats on it actually deducted from the melee damage I'd output, lol. Too bad, eh? Golden Saronite Dragon ftw.

Hegen · 04/27/09, 5:08 AM

Originally Posted by FaLLeNaNg3L

Hey.
I read the thread and I am aware that spirit, int, spellpower, crit and haste with the postet Numbers are a good goal to reach. But i'd prefer some raw Numbers. I only have the 3.0 Scalings:

You should be aware that there is no one set of numbers. If you really want to use stat weightings, you need to decide whether you want them for efficiency or throughput. Or, if you want a mixture, how you want efficiency weighted against throughput.

This isn't nitpicking: the equivalence value for haste is near to zero if you want efficiency weightings, but it's the most important stat if you want throughput.

I suggest you use Rawr instead of Lootrank, as this tool allows you to view both aspecs side by side as well as customize how you want to efficiency vs. throughput.

Brennan3775 · 04/27/09, 5:11 AM

My combat spec would be better if they would just invite me into some of those darned 25man Ulduars. I'm nearly geared enough, and I deal more DPS than most people who are more than geared enough.

Brennan3775 · 04/27/09, 5:13 AM

Idk, it's better for me this way. I never did use feint. If RH has anything, it has godly tanks. They hold aggro no matter how high my single-target dps goes. (I can cap 6k for the first 20 seconds of a battle, and yet the tank can hold that aggro even if I don't use Tricks.)

Brennan3775 · 04/27/09, 5:16 AM

Is this going to be updated? Just got on board, and it seems like a pwnage mod.

Brennan3775 · 04/27/09, 5:18 AM

Huh... This is really informative. (Yes, I just needed to get one more post out of the way so I could ask a question, lol.)

HJT · 04/27/09, 5:44 AM

What are the best gems for Cats?

As far as i read in this thread, it seems that pure strength gems seems best.

Wowhead reflects this, but rawr and other models dont.

In my opinion strength is also the best choice, but i might be wrong.

With my nearly 50% crit i dont benefit much from the crit provided by agility, and strength offers me 2 AP istead of only 1 from agility...

So: can anyone tell me why in most simulations, agi is better than strength?

Murna · 04/27/09, 6:26 AM

Did you actually read anything in the Cat DPS thread or FeralByNight?

Strength is definitely NOT the way to gem...

Agility gives you only 1 ap instead of 2, yes. But it also gives you crit. You say, that you don't benefit much from crit, because you've got nearly 50%. That's quite nonsense.

The Crit Cap is at 75% for autoattack and ferocious bite (assuming hit and expertise capped). If you are below that, then more crit is always good.

Remember - more crit = more Combo points.

Actually there is another discussion going on right now, concerning ArPen vs Agi. ArPen scales better than linear, meaning: The more you have, the better it is. At some point, ArPen will become the best stat and thus the stat you should gem.
It's still unclear, when this point is reached. Some models say, you need 200 ArPen to become the best stat, some say 350 and some say it's even 750 or more.
Follow the discussions on the two threads Cat DPS rotation and FeralByNight, and you will know soon.

Romeoh · 04/27/09, 7:00 AM

Hi,

Iam new but i have many questions !

1. I tested mutilate and combat on a hero dummy. both about 10mins und in many trys !
with mutilate i did 3200DPS and with combat 2800-2900 DPS ! Is this true ? or is combat only stronger with raidbuffs ???
my rotation 3s/5r/4-5e !!! i hope anyone can help me...

2. yesterday i tested a new specc. 52/13/6. 2 pts in MP & 2pts in TttT. on a hero dummy i did 3,2-3,3k dps easily and TttT didnt activated ! so can someone tell any experience ?

thanks a lot Romeoh !