Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 262

jaofos · 04/30/09, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Lerastes

Remove Blood Fury from your Shot Rotation tab.

I knew it had to do something with Blood Fury being selected somewhere, I just couldn't find where.

Thank you!

SnowMadara · 04/30/09, 1:05 PM

Hmm and what major glyphs i should use in Multi Spec and what in Combat Spec?

chalon · 04/30/09, 1:12 PM

http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t54257-3...efore_posting/

Nazzaroni · 04/30/09, 2:42 PM

I'm currently Mutilate spec (51/13/7) but have been noticing for the majority of encounters it may be better to be Combat. I'm an active PvP'er so I want to keep one of my specs PvE and the other PvP.

My current gear set up is 4pc T7 and 1pc T8. I have Calamity's Grasp/Golem-Shard Sticker for my combat weapons. My main concerns are.
1. What glyphs to use.
2. Which poison to use on my MH
3. Primary gem choices
4. 15/51/5 vs 18/51/2

Brodisk · 04/30/09, 3:34 PM

AND........ Glyph of Conflagrate redesigned: When you use Conflagrate, the damage done by your next 3 Destruction spells is increased by 10% for 15 seconds if the Immolate on the target has 5 or fewer seconds remaining..... so we will probably see alot less destro locks now.

TiaMaster · 04/30/09, 3:38 PM

We just saw a round of destro nerfs...so I am wondering where this came from.

Can anyone see a way to capitalize on the new changes? Nothing comes to mind except for timing Conflag. Which...doesn't capitalize since most people do that now to capitalize on the last round of changes...

Nartas · 04/30/09, 3:50 PM

So with conflag updated do we actually gain back 10% damage (Live 70% of immolate's ticks) (Patch 12/15 secs 80% immolate ticks). So roughly we lose 15% damage on immolate, 5% loss on conflag (80%-15% immolate loss from F&B) to gain 30 % damage on incinerate. Furthermore the way it reads, it will only give you that 30% damage increase on incinerate if YOUR immolate is up so we can't even conflag 3X incin if another lock has immolate up we MUST put our own back up. YAY clipping immolate below the global is FUNNNN.

And then the glyph of conflag nerf... well yeah enough said i dont see how they think this will buff our damage as destro, but I haven't seen the sims yet, one can only assume it will go down though.

gherkin · 04/30/09, 3:52 PM

Originally Posted by TiaMaster

We just saw a round of destro nerfs...so I am wondering where this came from.

Can anyone see a way to capitalize on the new changes? Nothing comes to mind except for timing Conflag. Which...doesn't capitalize since most people do that now to capitalize on the last round of changes...

Destro: Make sure you cast Chaos Bolt with the 10% damage buff up
Demo: Conflag / Molten Core / Decimate builds look like they could provide more dps, but it just makes the rotation harder.

Thats all i got.

Weerea · 04/30/09, 4:00 PM

Originally Posted by matthewseidl

Except its not 30% to incin. That would be a fairly brutal buff (my incin's are hitting for ~4k in 10 man ulduar, +30% would be a huge buff). The change reads:

So It adds 30% to the 145-169 bonus damage. Meaning for 5 talent points we get 25% crit on a spell we canst every 15 seconds, and 45-50 bonus damage per incinerate. Yippie? Its making 41/30 or more likely deep demo a lot more appealing.

That 145-169 is affected by spellpower (not sure on the coeff though) try it out on the target dummy, with immolate on the target - I get something like 700 extra damage on incinerate with immolate up. Still, these changes seem to make destro more complicated while not providing much (if any) dps increase.

trancos.jorge · 04/30/09, 4:57 PM

Originally Posted by logist

Hello, first time poster, long time reader as i heard someone say before

Anyhow totally noob kinda question, im combat speced, fist/dagger 15/51/5 with 5 point in CQC ofc, BiS T7. using the combat spreadsheet i was just wondering for a single item, now i have [Envoy of Mortality] in ranged, but gotten the [Rising Sun] last night. Now whats confusing me is that stats wise envoy is better?, but the spreadsheet shows just a little more dps with the rising sun.
or is hit rating worth it? with rising sun i have hit 274 isnt that too much? and yet shows dps increase with rising sun.

I think that haste + hit rating is better than some critical since you can get crit rating from different sources (buffs)
Thats just my personal opinion.
You can also consider that you can use [deadly throw] (if you need to) if you have Rising Sun

Draktyr · 04/30/09, 5:05 PM

So UA is worth taking in DPS? Interesting..

dot dot dot

What did you think the talent did? Give you swine flu?

/sigh

Higinia · 04/30/09, 5:14 PM

which unholy dw spec is better?
obliterate, death coil, or ss? im having hard time finding out, anyone have any suggestions?

HordakIC · 04/30/09, 5:22 PM

If you count the glyph change it's probably a damage loss considering you are now consuming the last tick or 2 from Immolate.

EDIT: That wasn't a fair comment to make since the glyph also gives you 10% damage to the next three casts. I think it will probably end up about break-even.

trv186 · 04/30/09, 5:40 PM

So far for a bloodelf/goat (no racials which help with weapon skill) The BIS I am still able to confirm in rawr is the following setup which I noticed was not in the OP. This set INCLUDES leather. Assuming a JC and BS. This was orginally posted by another member. There are other posts back a few pages for BIS for humans/dwarves which were very interesting if anyone else feels like bumping those. Good to see we can post BIS gear again

Helm - Conqueror's Aegis Helm
Neck - Pendulum of Infinity (socket bonus 4 AGI)
Cloak - Drape of Faceless General
Chest - Chestguard of Recluse
Wrists - Armbands of Bedlam (socket bonus unknown)
Weapon - Voldrethar, Dark Blade of Oblivion (x1 Dragon's Eye)
Libram - Furious Gladiator's Libram of Fortitude
Trinket1 - Darkmoon Card: Greatness
Trinket2 - Blood of the Old God
Ring1 - Seal of Betrayed King (4 str bonus)(dragon's eye)
Ring2 - Godbane Signet
Boots - Footpads of Silence
Legs - Congueror's Aegis Legplates (x1 Dragon's Eye)
Belt - Soul Devouring Cinch
Gloves - Conqueror's Aegis Gauntlets

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fight Length - 6 minutes
Mob Type - Other
Below 20% time - 18%
Attack Power - 6590
Crit Chance - 47.49%
Miss - 0% at 266 hit rating
Dodge - 0% at 213 expertise rating
Melee Haste - 32.62%
Weapon Damage - 2639.75
Total DPS - 6,532

This was used with JC/Blacksmithing. Also some socket bonuses are unknown and might provide more dps. This did not include bloodlust, focus magic, or amplify magic (7389 dps with those 3 buffs)

Nap · 04/30/09, 5:44 PM

Sorry if this seems newbish, but didn't the Conflag Glyph USED to make Conflag no longer consume the Immolate on the target? If so, is that gone now so we have to reapply Immo after using Conflag?