im a man and i still just use grid as its good to know how everyones doing,i didnt even knowu could change anything on it lol

nice one guys,i aint even in naxx yet! hahaha

what should i look for in gear as a holy priest?

spell power haste?? what

and what should come first like spell power of haste or what

thanks for the info ^^

Hey I'm just wondering about daggers. I currently have 1 dagger which has a speed of 1.40 and I'm trying to get 1 that has a speed of 1.80.

And I have absolutely no idea which dagger goes in which hand O__O This would be for muti spec then ofc =P
And what poisons to I put on which dagger? 1.80 MH - Instant / 1.40 OH - Deadly? 1.40 MH - Deadly / 1.80 OH Instant? Or something else entirely? =O

Do I put the fast one in the off-hand and slow in main-hand or the other way around?

And yes I'm new to daggers = ]

Thanks in advance for any replies

Pallies will still use HL, if your mana gets low just flash to regen, nothing much is gonna chnage except more haste and faceroll content ;>

Upon further thought, I believe that this would be a very viable buff build for a number of fights - freya, iron council, thorim and others.

Because blood's deeper talents are almost entirely talents which boost your damage and threat but don't give any significant survivability (except for WotN, which has been gutted and is of subjective value), speccing this way on fights where threat doesn't matter much may be quite viable for you because you then bring your raid hysteria, abom's might, imp icy touch and imp talons all in one package meaning a talented attack speed debuff, imp windfury and a marks hunter aren't needed, nor are any frost DKs. You essentially become the only DK your raid needs assuming they have a boomkin, which could be construed as a bad thing, heh. Your overall survivability is about the same - trading WotN for 3% melee avoidance in frigid dreadplate is an alright tradeoff. You use death strike to generate death runes and rune strike remains your primary threat generator. Rotation would be IT PS DS BSx2, DS BSx4 -or- DSx2 BSx2.

On Freya threat is a nonissue since if tanking her, you'll have a gigantic threat lead by phase 2 when people actually start nuking her. Ditto iron council (if doing steelbreaker last), nobody will be nuking your target until phase 3 if you're the guy tanking steelbreaker through phases 1 and 2. You could also tank cats on auriaya if doing the achievement there, offtank guardian dwarves on razorscale, etc.

It's a situational build but depending on your raid comp it should be a very viable build for you to bring to your raid to boost RDPS while still being able to fill your role acceptably, and it allows other people in the raid to spec out of utility talents that you bring so they can do more DPS themselves.

Presuming people agree, this build should be the definitive solution for people who insist on speccing blood but deep into frost to get frigid dreadplate. If people are going to insist on doing this, they should at least bring their raid something worthwhile in doing so.

Dodge rating is still going to be the best avoidance stat to stack, because the parry and miss provided by Defense rating will have harsh diminishing returns.

That being said, people are still going to invest in Defense rating, at least as green gems, when activating yellow requirements for socket or meta bonuses.

It's Parry rating that will continue to be ignored, although you're probably still going to sell quite a few Parry gems from the uninformed / misinformed.

"Effective HP" is a measure of whatever mitigation is guaranteed. That is, something you can always count on regardless of the situation. HP is the baseline for this, followed by armor.

If you're taking a gemming approach that's maximum Effective HP, you won't be gemming for avoidance socket bonuses, specifically because it's not something you can guarantee will work. You'd also socket AGI / STA for red requirements, not because of AGI's dodge, but because of AGI's armor.

Yellow sockets don't actually have any stat that contributes to EHP, but most tanks go for Def / STA (if not ignoring the socket and going pure STA) anyway.

And yes, most progression tanks have been gemming straight HP. We didn't see it all that often in Naxx because it just wasn't that hard to demand min-maxing in the first place, but in the land of two-shots, you'll see a lot of tanks with a Gossamer + Heart of Iron combo or similar.

Hmm. So if the weapon damage portion of seal of vengeance will indeed be applied by special attacks like ghost crawler says, and not just auto-attacks, has haste actually gone up in priority any?

If all it does is slightly decrease the ramp up time on our auto-attacks it seems like it'll still be a pretty abysmal stat in 3.2

So I had my trinkets set up using Eye of the Broodmother and Forethought Talisman for Short quick fights
and Spirit World Glass and Energy Siphon for the long fights.
Now I have happened to get my hands on Je'Tze's Bell and it looks to be a very great piece but i cant see what to replace. It looks like its gonna give about 25mp5 with the 106sp

oh im a Disc priest

I would drop spirit world glass for it on the long fights. Fairly good throughput/regen balance type trinket. I've had little need for a "pure regen" trinket when I'm disc and both of those are certainly pure regen.

Heres my UI when raiding.

Bear in mind that SoB procs could NOT proc anything since part way through TBC.

SoB used to proc JoW, weapon enchants etc which means with SoB up you always got two JoW procs from each swing, but this was changed in TBC so that SoB could nor proc anything. SoC can proc weapon enchants, but has a low ppm so you don't get double the normal number.

The new SoV dot refresh is melee, so that can proc it, and the new instant damage strike is also melee, so that probably can proc it as well. Giving 3 proc chances a swing? Have you noticed an increased regen from JoW as well?

I think all melee attacks proc things unless specially coded not to (eg SoB).

Quick testing with auto-attack indicated that JoW doesn't proc more often with SoV than with SoC or SoR.

I read somewhere in these forums that elemental shamans should switch to LB spam during heroism (and maximum haste situations like Vezax). Having elem mastery up at the same time may have been a condition(though this was before the duration was reduced I think). I don't think the person had contributed any numbers to support it, but I don't remember anyone refuting it at the same time. I can't find the post now of course..

Anyway, can anyone confirm or deny this?

Also, I can't seem to find any numbers on potion of speed vs potion of wild magic, can anyone tell me which is the more attractive option for elemental shamans?

Thanks.

It was said earlier though that if on a decent fight where you didn't need to switch targets often, popping a Potion of Speed before engaging in combat would help apply the stacks faster (albeit even slightly), and then freeing up space for another potion during the fight if needed.

So while haste isn't going to be great to stack on gear, during the initial ramp up time, any extra haste can't hurt.

Also i don´t understand how to run the Simulator program? Does it work with Vista 32bit? How do i run it?

i am a long time reader but first time poster...

but i have a quick question, i know there is a lot of debate about how much Arp to stack and when ... but my questions is.

according to the spreadsheet its always a dps decrease when i gem for ArP is there actually a point you need to hit b4 geming for ArP will be a dps increase? as well now with ArP being so important, how important is haste how for MM... cuz i know b4 hitting the haste cap back in naxx is a must for good #'s but i have not herd much about haste.. all i read is that its not as important anymore ... did i read wrong ?

If you have energy and time to do a shred before an SR, the main reason you'd not want to is to not waste the combo point on it when you could be using it on a rip or FB. So it really depends on your crit rate, your time on rip, how many CPs we're talking, what your glyphs are, whether you're having to keep up mangle, etc.

The most efficient SR is 1 CP when you have 4pT8. That doesn't mean it's the best, mind you - just that it gives you the most time on SR per CP. Having a 2-3 CP SR is good because it gives you more freedom in that case. If it won't cost you any cycle time and will allow you more FBs, having a 5 CP SR is great.

I never said more haste hurts, just that it's stats priority hasn't changed and that is what the question was about.

and only 7% if you have a Draenei in your party.. :-P

Ah ok. I took the above post to mean that SS would just instantly take the new damage, and I didn't test it with Chimera.

I just made the switch to an MM spec, as I'm finally getting good enough gear for it, so I'm still trying to learn the ropes of wrath MM.