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Old 08/04/09, 2:41 PM   #6751
vorda
Bald Bull
 
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Jaedenar (EU)
Originally Posted by dragwiz3 View Post
What about divine gauardian. What possible reason would you need for the tank to take more damage in a raid. I dont see the reason to waste 6 points for a skill that will more than likely get me killed.
I'm going to assume you mean DiSac. It's very nice when you can use it (good examples are XT tantrum, thorim offtank, yogg p2, vezax OT), and obviously you use it combined with bubble.

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Old 08/04/09, 2:44 PM   #6752
Marcos
Von Kaiser
 
Human Paladin
 
Greymane
Originally Posted by dragwiz3 View Post
What about divine gauardian. What possible reason would you need for the tank to take more damage in a raid. I dont see the reason to waste 6 points for a skill that will more than likely get me killed.
The key is to use it in conjunction with Divine Shield. There have been a few fights in Ulduar where I have been able to find use for Divine Guardian while being the MT such as phase 2 of Mimiron and during a Tympanic Tantrum on XT Hard Mode and many fights while being the OT such as phase 1 Freya during a Lasher pack, phase 2 of Thorim Hard Mode while not tanking and Kologarn while not tanking adds. There are ways to sneak it in. You just have to be creative.

EDIT: Beaten to the punch.

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Old 08/04/09, 2:47 PM   #6753
Eru
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Undead Hunter
 
Dalaran
why
Sigil of Awareness > Sigil of the Vengeful Heart
You use more Obli

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Old 08/04/09, 2:57 PM   #6754
kaartis
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Night Elf Druid
 
Stormreaver (EU)
whats the new rotation?

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Old 08/04/09, 3:38 PM   #6755
Asingh
Banned
 
June
Draenei Paladin
 
Skullcrusher
First Page I think..

Nice post so far looking forward to this. I have a feeling next content patch we will get just as many changes.

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Old 08/04/09, 3:59 PM   #6756
dragwiz3
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Zangarmarsh
Yes my appologies i did mean DiSac. Thank you guys for all of your responses. Im trying new ways to make my tanking better. Here is my armory link The World of Warcraft Armory. Take a look and let me know what you guys think. I am open to all suggestions. Thanks in advance

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Old 08/04/09, 4:59 PM   #6757
thorpac
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Human Paladin
 
Sisters of Elune
Originally Posted by nogame View Post
Touche

I do however know a significant portion of JC raiders who are lazy enough not to get the cuts for the purpose of accumulating wealth. How many JC's do you know picked up JC for raiding and never really followed through with dailies or if they did, sold the Dragon's Eyes and did not pickup patterns?
That would be me.

But then again, I'll also be buying myself the epic cuts i need to fill out any slots.

Not everything i say is stupid.

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Old 08/04/09, 5:24 PM   #6758
dravok
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Human Death Knight
 
Anvilmar
For someone who is just starting Naxx raids, would my Unholy spec still work or is it time to go to Blood. I wish my armory would update to show my DPS gear.

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Old 08/04/09, 5:25 PM   #6759
yusef
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Tauren Druid
 
Area 52
I don't find HW useful, but that may just be because of where I am in overall progression as a healer. I'm running mostly 5man heroic PUGs, and usually with other newish 80s. My gear is a mishmash crafteds, boes, heroic drops and some naxx25 stuff, not sure what my haste rating is, but CH is a 2.1s cast with wrath of air totem down.
I don't find HW usable in any of the situations I commonly find myself in.
1. steady damage on tank (good), I don't feel confident in letting the tank get down into the range where HW isn't mostly overhealing, so I keep him topped off with RT and LHW
2. spike damage on the tank, the response time on HW is slow enough that the tank is in serious danger, if not dead, by the time the cast is done
3. steady party/aoe damage, where CH is very effective

And then there are the times when things just go nuts, and lhw and rt don't have the throughput to keep the party alive. I suppose there's a correct approach to that situation, but my usual response is to panic and try to keep as many people as possible alive with CH, fail, and get called a nub. Such is life for a new healer I guess.

Do I just need more confidence in my own timing for HW to be an option? Or is it that once I'm running with experienced/geared tanks at the def cap and a larger HP pool, then there's enough a buffer to let the tank get to 75% HP where HW will be less than 50% overhealing?

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Old 08/04/09, 5:27 PM   #6760
dravok
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Human Death Knight
 
Anvilmar
I just want to ask others if my Frost spec and gear should be ok for starting to tank heroics. I know I need to get Essence of Gossamer and will work on that asap.

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Old 08/04/09, 5:31 PM   #6761
khunad
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Burning Legion (EU)
Originally Posted by tonic316 View Post
Is it just me or if you have mostly BiS gear the only upgrades are from hard mode loot (ilv258). At least thats what the spread sheet is showing.
same here, a few items seems to upgrade me and I supposed to that I have a lot of items to change

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Old 08/04/09, 5:43 PM   #6762
neofire
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Gnome Warlock
 
Blackhand
I think destro is still going to be top. Haunts don't hit for much anyways and it dosn't get any bonus crit from other talents. Also, with the empowered imp change to 100% bonus crit instead of 20% that will help the 5% nerf to your chaos bolts and inncins. Also, if you've seen the T9 set bonuses, one of them gives your pet 10% more crit. This will make your empowered imp crit 10% more.

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Old 08/04/09, 5:44 PM   #6763
Xabora
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Orc Paladin
 
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Originally Posted by J_Aimar View Post
Three fasts questions for dw please.

1)What is the cap hit with dual?

2) Is arp neccesary? or only strenght? (Frost/Unholy Spec)

3) Slow/Slow or Slow/Fast weapons?

Sorry for my english and thanks
Aim for the spell hitcap. (Any extra is considered a bonus)
262.32 - Without Dreanei
229.53 - With a Dreanei

As for ArP, it is far more useful than it was before.
So snag gear that has it when possible.
Lastly, stick with Slow/Slow as often as you can.

And its best to read a few pages back before asking a question like this.
Being nice.

Last edited by Xabora : 08/04/09 at 7:28 PM. Reason: Clairity and R2.

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Old 08/04/09, 6:05 PM   #6764
Intoxication
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Dwarf Paladin
 
Sargeras
With 3.2 going live today, and the DK talent trees getting hacked, I'm curious as to what specs people will be using? I know pleanty of people used the PTR to test certain things out, and I'd be very appreciative if anyone could share these results.

Last edited by Intoxication : 08/04/09 at 6:05 PM. Reason: grammer

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Old 08/04/09, 7:10 PM   #6765
TheEschaton
Glass Joe
 
Undead Priest
 
Dunemaul
I was wondering if anyone had ever done any sort of analysis on how badly bad latency will affect your dps as an spriest.

Currently, I consistently have over 200 ms while standing still in the middle of nowhere. When I raid Ulduar, it is usually anywhere from 400 to (on really bad nights) 1.2s, at which point I give up and let one of the subs come in.

Even when I'm at optimal conditions for my connection, which is anywhere from 200-400 ms, I recognize I'm doing much less dps than I should. My priority is right according to what I've read here on ej, I have a good sense of things, etc, but I'm wondering if the latency can either A) affect my DoTimer to giving me inaccurate timers for dots falling off, or b) just cause them to fall off before I have an indication on my end that the CD is up, etc.

My armory is a little funky at the moment, inbetween gear sets right now, hence the extra hit, but I usually am hovering right near the hit cap (like 289-292).

IOW, I'm moving in a week, and I'm wondering if a more stable connection coupled with a server that isn't on the opposite coast might be an improvement to my dps.

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Old 08/04/09, 7:14 PM   #6766
Kal Choedan
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Orc Death Knight
 
Ravenholdt (EU)
Originally Posted by Zuu View Post
As far as I know, since it is a prismatic gem, one Nightmare Tear alone should cover all three requirements for the meta (that is, it should count as a blue, red, and yellow gem).
If only it worked like that! Unfortunately the gem is only counted as active for the colour of socket you place it in. So for example, on a helm with a meta + a yellow socket, placing the Tear into the yellow socket will result in a count of one yellow gem active. That's all well and good, but that still leaves you with the blue to match, and you're probably better off using the Tear there instead as it's of greater benefit than any of the alternative purple gems, and pair it with a +hit/+str yellow in the helm's socket.

This is the way prismatic gems (e.g. pre-3.2 Dragon's Eyes) have always worked.

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Old 08/04/09, 7:31 PM   #6767
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After reading many of the post, id like to see some numbers in respect to necrosis 3/5 vs desolation 5/5, visa verse, i believe 5/5 necrosis would be better in fights that require one to run around constantly instead of the patchy style tank and spank, since from what I've seen most fights require movement now, more so than before.

And as for the Icy Talon points, i believe they are better spent in Icy reach 2/2 or as the above post said 1 icy 1 lich.

0/17/54

Last edited by Feygor : 08/04/09 at 7:38 PM.

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Old 08/04/09, 7:36 PM   #6768
Feygor
 
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Originally Posted by vank View Post

However, moving 2 points from Desolation and maxing Necrosis was only a 9 DPS loss which, in the end, might be the way to go since it works better for dynamic encounters as opposed to static Patchwerk types, of which there are few these days. The only thing I didn't check was Outbreak due to lack of time. I'll do that later, but I doubt it will change anything.
Sorry about above post for some reason i forgot some info and the quote.

So i figured as he stated as well, which is what i was thinking 5/5necro > 5/5 deso

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Old 08/04/09, 7:38 PM   #6769
pintor
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Night Elf Druid
 
The Venture Co
Originally Posted by Kal Choedan View Post
If only it worked like that! Unfortunately the gem is only counted as active for the colour of socket you place it in. So for example, on a helm with a meta + a yellow socket, placing the Tear into the yellow socket will result in a count of one yellow gem active. That's all well and good, but that still leaves you with the blue to match, and you're probably better off using the Tear there instead as it's of greater benefit than any of the alternative purple gems, and pair it with a +hit/+str yellow in the helm's socket.

This is the way prismatic gems (e.g. pre-3.2 Dragon's Eyes) have always worked.
This is incorrect. As Zuu has said one nightmare tear will act as a red, blue and yellow gem. Prismatic gems counted as all 3 colours regardless of what socket they were placed in.

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Old 08/04/09, 7:42 PM   #6770
emcee
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Undead Warlock
 
Destromath
Originally Posted by Dazion View Post
Im curious as to wether Affliction will pull slightly ahead of Destro due to changes to both Immolate and Incinerate. Taking into account that Glyph of Life Tap was buffed, it seems this would now also be the most optimal glyph for any spec. Any thoughts on the subject?
what was changed with immo/incin?

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Old 08/04/09, 7:45 PM   #6771
onrak
 
Orc Hunter
 
Khadgar
thanks

useful post

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Old 08/04/09, 7:47 PM   #6772
onrak
 
Orc Hunter
 
Khadgar
thank you

just getting in to ulduar and some new loots. my arp is 219 is now and im noticing more dps and damage. i heard 300 arp was the magic number to switch to MM spec. currently im SV spec.

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Old 08/04/09, 7:55 PM   #6773
Taidaisher
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Stormscale
I apologize for what is, I'm sure, a very redundant question. But I haven't been able to find the answer with a working link.

Can someone please provide a link to 3.2 specs, including the discussions/advice regarding the quality of the specs and their value in 3.2

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Old 08/04/09, 8:10 PM   #6774
ilovemrdoe
Welsh
 
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Undead Warlock
 
Balnazzar (EU)
Fire and Brimstone: Reduced to 2/4/6/8/10% increased damage from Incinerate and Chaos Bolt on targets afflicted with Immolate, down from 3/6/9/12/15%.

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Old 08/04/09, 8:16 PM   #6775
emcee
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Undead Warlock
 
Destromath
oh that, i thought he meant with the spell itself

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