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05/05/09, 10:50 AM
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#4066
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Banned
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Human Death Knight
Ясеневый лес
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sorry my post was obviously not elitist enough - please mr. mod - delete my account - i cant find a button to do so - thanks and all the best.
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05/05/09, 11:59 AM
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#4067
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Glass Joe
Draenei Death Knight
Scilla
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Originally Posted by Stein
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Interesting. Ill have to do a little more reading then, my apologies.
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05/05/09, 12:58 PM
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#4068
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Banned
Troll Priest
Burning Blade (EU)
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[quote=Vaxum;1059066]
Spec: 15/51/5
Hard to believe u did that DPS with an unspent talent point and without BA, ES. |
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05/05/09, 1:04 PM
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#4069
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Von Kaiser
Human Warlock
Alexstrasza
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Right now I am torn, personally. I can see clear as day that ISL build is the long-run winner, hands down. Ultimately, it will have higher deeps and far better survivability from SL. A superior build. But due to the fact that no matter how hard I try, I can't run a custom Simcraft without better explanation.
So due to the fact that I do not have 2pcs of T8.5 yet, my issue (and I'm posting this because I know there are others in my same position this morning) is whether reverting to 3.09 thinking (2pcT7 + lvl226items > 4pcT7) and roll 13/58 with Immo Glyph OR to keep Glyph of LT and 4pcT7 with 3/13/55 build?
I've been agonizing over it for the past 12hrs. Not being able to run a Simcraft is torture. I know that 4pcT7 + Glyph of LT + 3/13/55 is higher deeps for my gear set, but the question is how much higher??? I just don't know.
Because my healers have been impressed with my survivability in Ulduar with 41/30 and its 25% mitigation. Chaos Bolt builds lose that mitigation completely, but 13/58 makes up for it with Soul Leech. 3/13/55 is without a question a big downgrade in survivability in comparison to 41/30 or 13/58.
Leaving a very tough decision. If the difference in dps is <100, then I'd go ISL. If >100.......hmmm......
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05/05/09, 1:29 PM
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#4070
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Orc Shaman
Blackwing Lair
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Originally Posted by scenemaker
Saying, "That is best spec to raid with." is not only purely opinion but completely unsubstantiated. You provided absolutely no argument for your chosen spec. I am confused why you would take 5/5 convection and 3/3 unrelenting storm. It is my opinion that these are not terrible talents to max out, rather if you need them both maxed your play style is terrible. How many fights do you stand in one place and not move the entire fight? Make use of that time to Thunderstorm and get 2k mana back. Start doing this at about 90% mana and then again everytime CD is up and you are moving. If you start getting low on mana, stop using CL if it's a single target. It's DPS gains over LB is minimal anyway and with the right glyphs combined with 4pc T8, the gain is only gonna become weaker.
Here is what I raid with:
The World of Warcraft Armory
2 things I take that are different are Instant Ghost wolf and Improved Fire Nova Totem. There are alot of fights you can mount up for now. (Malygos, Razorscale, Freya, Sartharion, etc) You never know when Instant ghost wolf will come in handy. This is purely optional, however and these 2 points could be spent anywhere else you like. Improved Fire Nova Totem, however, I believe every raiding Ele Shaman should have. When used properly on fights like Deconstructor, you can solo an entire side of adds on your own. Drop Earthbind to root them, drop Fire Nova Totem, Thunderstorm (they won't knock back because they are rooted), at this point the nova totem will burst which will stun them, drop magma totem and begin Chain Lightning the remaining down. Again, this is an optional talent and you could use the 2 points somewhere else.
A lot of Ele Shamans like to put a 2 or 3 points into Elemental Warding. That's fine too, not a terrible talent, however, I believe that if you feel the need to use this in a raid, maybe you should look at getting new healers instead. It's not gonna make that big of a difference in the damage you take anyway and should you die without it, you more than likely would have died with it too.
So, my entire point here is that you can never say that one spec is the best spec because there are always other options to consider. Also if you are gonna make a statement like that, you better explain why you believe it is.
EDIT: I also looked at your armory page and you appear to like using some mp5 gems in your gear. I realize these are there to fulfill the meta requirement, however there are other options you could have taken instead. It all leads me to believe that you find yourself having mana issues in fights and should re-evaluate your play style. |
Yes, mp5. I don't think 120hp or 8 spirit would help anymore than mp5... Do you?
And since when do Ele Shamans go oom?
I know there is no "best" spec to raid with. I was just asking why he would spec into that when we drop Totem of Wrath and have the Enhance dropping the imp strength.
I'm not trying to sound cross in any way.
I apologize for sounding that way if so.
The way I see it ... You're fretting over 2 talent points that could be used in several different places. Ghost Wolf has potential to be useful I agree with that, but my point is that specing into Imp Flametongue and SoE is completely pointless. Those talents could be more useful in other places.
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05/05/09, 2:55 PM
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#4071
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Glass Joe
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How good is the T8 2 piece bonus. I have 2 piece T8, gloves and pants atm. Is it worth dropping 2 of my 7.5 pieces for them? I notice I lose about 80 hit, but gain about 100 AP and some crit, as well as the deadly poison energy ticks obviously.
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05/05/09, 3:09 PM
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#4072
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Von Kaiser
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I too use affliction for yogg, was at 5800 dps through phase one and phase 2 and unfortunately for some reason our guild chooses to have melee on yogg and ranged on the immortals and theyre dying at a reasonable pace to where affliction is horrible if your put on this duty. Sure I can dot up yogg and turn back around but tactically its horrible for me, makes no sense personally. I'd love to be able to DS during phase 3, and the mechanics of drain being able to turn and drain. Just wasnt able to do it cuz for the most part aside from the mages our ranged is flat out horrible. Need to teach the stupid melee to pick up the immortals.
On a side note, our ten man is pretty damn good and we're knocking out hard modes on the keepers, 2/4 very close to freya as well now. Once we get them down we're gonna do hard mode vezax. Does anyone have any suggestions for this. I only dps in the crashes as it is now and wand when outside of the crashes and my mana is usually almost always the direct percentage of vezax's health as well. How can I burn the add as well?
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05/05/09, 3:59 PM
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#4073
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Founder of the Chalonverse
Chalon
Night Elf Rogue
No WoW Account
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From the FAQ:
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T7 4/5 will mostly likely be worth breaking for T8 2/5 by the time you pick up 3 pieces of T8, even if it's just T8.10. For specifics, check a spreadsheet.
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05/05/09, 4:19 PM
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#4074
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by scenemaker
So, my entire point here is that you can never say that one spec is the best spec because there are always other options to consider. Also if you are gonna make a statement like that, you better explain why you believe it is.
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That is all.
EDIT: Not trying to just get in a petty argument here. (EJ won't approve!) I just want to make sure that point gets across for anyone.
Last edited by scenemaker : 05/05/09 at 4:39 PM.
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05/05/09, 5:01 PM
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#4075
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Orc Shaman
Blackwing Lair
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=D
b(^_^)d
<3
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05/05/09, 6:13 PM
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#4076
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Night Elf Hunter
Lightning's Blade
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i was wondering what you thought of this spec, instead of taking wyvern sting, would going into imp stings over noxious stings increase DPS
The World of Warcraft Armory
or instead of going for hawk and glyphing to try and get to the soft cap, how would this stack up if you wanted wyvern sting
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05/05/09, 6:13 PM
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#4077
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Glass Joe
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Thank you. Consider yourself quoted on my guild's forums.  |
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05/05/09, 6:18 PM
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#4078
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Banned
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I am new to WoW completely, level 20 w00t w00t, and I just had a couple questions using immolate as an example
Immolate at the highest rank...
stock(without gear or talents)
burst 460
dot 785
stacking stats(look below the numbers for explanation)
burst 987.7
dot 1543.9895
not stacking stats
burst 967
dot 1485.35
If you start from the top of the talent tree you get +6% damage over time bonus, in this does that make 832.1 the new stock damage and the 30% you gain from improved immolate go off of that percent or does the percent added always get the improvement from the stock 785?
dot gets 6% from Aftermath
dot and burst get 30% from improved immolate
dot and burst get 15% from emberstorm
dot and burst get 300 damage from fire & brimstone if you have 2000sp (how exactly is this calculated? would that be 300 actual damage or something different?)
does the damage that you get add on to the actual spell damage and then relate to some formula that generates actual damage or is it a plain drawn number of extra added on damage?
if you need more numbers or a better explanation please let me know.
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05/05/09, 9:03 PM
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#4079
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noneya
Blood Elf Priest
No WoW Account
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Hey My name is Hevn
Simply put, I am quite new to this game, I have only been playing since October of 2008. I didn't hit 80 until January. When I joined my newest guild. Bane. They asked me to go from holy to Discipline. Now, I am having issues getting raid spots that I am use to having. And I am not quite sure what to do to get that spot again. When I read the forum on discipline priests, my head starts to hurt. I know nothing about the mathematics or theory crafting that you guys are so well known for. I just know that what information I can gather from you guys, made me a great holy priest. So Please help! I beg you, paying fifteen dollars a month to spend sitting on a bench is lame. I love to raid, I love the exhilaration you get when you down that incredibly hard boss for the first time with a guild. So any information without putting numbers on it helps. Thanks so much! I am gonna edit this to input a bit more information. Basically When I spoke with my gm, they had been comparing me to a disc priest they had that was less geared than I was ( my gear is mainly for holy ) before the patch hit and Ulduar landed. And, I have done my best, learning a new rotation etc. So now I am in this slump and I dunno how to get out of it, or even if I should join another guild or give up on raiding period. I am extremely unhappy about this situation. |
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05/05/09, 9:17 PM
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#4080
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Banned
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I am new to WoW completely, level 20 w00t w00t, and I just had a couple questions using immolate as an example
Immolate at the highest rank...
stock(without gear or talents)
burst 460
dot 785
stacking stats(look below the numbers for explanation)
burst 987.7
dot 1543.9895
not stacking stats
burst 967
dot 1485.35
If you start from the top of the talent tree you get +6% damage over time bonus, in this does that make 832.1 the new stock damage and the 30% you gain from improved immolate go off of that percent or does the percent added always get the improvement from the stock 785?
dot gets 6% from Aftermath
dot and burst get 30% from improved immolate
dot and burst get 15% from emberstorm
dot and burst get 300 damage from fire & brimstone if you have 2000sp (how exactly is this calculated? would that be 300 actual damage or something different?)
does the damage that you get add on to the actual spell damage and then relate to some formula that generates actual damage or is it a plain drawn number of extra added on damage?
if you need more numbers or a better explanation please let me know.
*sorry for the double post*
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