That's fine, but remember a lot more has changed since 3.1 besides just unholy blight. For example, the 15% boost to diseases is significant, especially if you run with an unholy DK. Try the 51/0/20 now under the same conditions as the 50/0/21 and see how they compare.

Is it safe to assume Agility is the stat to gem as Mutilate?

First time posting, i just put this in the champions talent specs can someone say yes or no on this spec.http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...&version=10192

Is it still true that Epedemic 2/2 is useless and so go for 1/2 ?
(51/0/20 build)
Thanks

Ok, disregard then. My apologies.

longtime reader first time poster

switched to 2h unholy for 3.2, used to run dw frost and 32/31 dw pre 3.1

still would like to see some stat weights for dw frost in 3.2

there are only a few 1h options fom 10 or 25 ulduar and getting some hard numbers would help

I've been looking around and I see comments in the optimal gear thread about stat ratios, but I've just dusted this char off and am going to start raiding on him.

My question is this, I'm currently 18/53/0 and I was wondering if anyone knew of or could post something here that shows the basic stat values to go for before getting something else.

For example:

14-17% hit --> ? % crit --> ? % haste... ect.

Just trying to find goals to aim for. Here is my armory in case anyone needs it. Like I said he's old and I know his gear is bad, just trying to figure out what to work on.

The World of Warcraft Armory

Hey guys

Yea i really hate threads like that one i will open now ..... sry for the next lines ( and SORRY for my english :< )

So my problem is very easy
I cant decide between fb and ffb for the next patch ...... till today i always was a fb mage and very satisfied with this tree

but with the new (lol) "content" there is a real crit boost and so im really struggling if I should change to FFB

so my questen is: is it possible for a ffb mage to make the same dps as a fb mage in the new conent ? (with the advantage of the burst)

mfg. call me noob xD

With the current bug of FFB dot resetting your hotstreak crit counter I doubt FFB can be competitive.
But even before last patch FFB was able to do the same dps as fireball as its even more rng dependant.

If the bug gets fixed and you get 4 piece t8 I guess frostfirebolt could come very close and even surpass fire, but that's still far away.

Ah. Then it was in fact I who fail.

Four healed hard mode Hodir last night with two priests and a druid on raid, I was on tank. It was no problem with es/rt/lhw

Would have loved to see accurate numbers but that just wasn't captured last night.

hmm ok that was the was i was thinking of that

thank you for the answer ;O but .... i think u mean t9 ?

hmmm hope blizz will fix that fast

Hey guys I am not sure if anyone brought this up but what do you think about the new arp trinket from heroic 5 man trial, I don't have gt and since my feral is my alt now won't be raiding on him much and I realy don't wann go through a 5 hour naxx pug, I do have greatness, was wondering if that trinket is any good ?

thank you very much for this tool, it is great. really fantastic. i had problems with the spreadsheet due to mac java nonsense.

So there's a claim in the OP saying that they've yet to see a 44/27 build top the charts.

Well, I cannot lay claim to being particularly "elite". I haven't actually seen Yogg-Saron die yet, my guild still sometimes struggles with Kologarn. I still have blues in my DPS set, even. I'm pretty sure some people would classify me as a worthless scrub.

So I can't pull out any money shots of an Algalon kill or a rampaging 7k DPS (yet). No, sirs, I can only offer the following:

http://i25.tinypic.com/xaxoib.jpg

http://i28.tinypic.com/2u7q14i.jpg

I've logged out in my DPS gear with the rune I used and I'll continue to do so for a day or two so people can look over the gear I used for this if they are curious. Yes I know I'm hilariously over-hitcapped but I'm too poor by far for a Greatness card ;.;

On basically every other fight, I was second in DPS but still first in overall damage done. And before anyone asks, the Sarth numbers come purely from single-target DPS on Sarth himself, plus single-target DPSing one add at the very end to finish the encounter and get numbers. Death and Decay was not utilized at any point for these (I need to get a Patchwerk attempt up in this joint).

For the record, when fighting Sarth I managed more or less 100% uptime with Blight, keeping the stack refreshed and growing as I went (although I may well have gotten lucky with some SD procs). It contributed quite a bit of DPS for not being on a global cooldown. So I'm perfectly satisfied with 44/27 and I foresee topping the charts or coming damn close for my gear level in the near future.

thank you. i love the speadsheet, and use it all the time for what are upgrates, and geming options. keep up the great work.

I think the keywords here are "at your gear level" -- I tried an unholy blight build last night on Ignis and was severely disappointed with the numbers. UB will likely make up ~4% of your DPS overall with a 50/0/21 build. I understand that you're using 44/0/27 but I'm just not sold on it. You're giving up 10% armor pen, DRW, and 10% damage dealt to get a 20% boost on the AP bonus given to your deathcoils..I just can't fathom how - when melee, death strike, and heartstrike make up ~65-70% of your damage, that giving up 3 talents that benefit your primary abilities allows you to do more dps.

One thing im curious about is if there is a str cap. i know hunters have a point where agi is just not going to do anymore for you. sorry if this is a noob question.

here's a SV hunter wondering if someday I'll be able to re-spec to BM and remain top3 dps in the raids...

tried it when 3.1 came out, spent a lot of money on AP gems, and AP enchants... the rest of the story we all know it.

anyone with a sh*tload of gold has tried to re-gem and re-enchant to AP, and see how the dps looks now?

/sigh BM seems so dead everywhere since BRK is gone...

I mentioned the Blight thing just because people were talking about being curious vis-a-vis uptime. 50/21 wouldn't do well because, yeah, DRW will probably give you more DPS than Blight by itself will. Blight is just a cherry on top of a delicious sunday, though, for 44/27.

You see, the key to victory is this little guy:



In the interest of full disclosure, here's what he looks like with DK self-buffs up:



Now, this has been talked about before, the ghoul vs. DRW. There's a new factor in play in 3.2, though...

So you're getting, oh, 15-18% uptime with DRW. That's good. Meanwhile, I now have a hitcapped, and if I'm reading this right expertise-capped (and if he's reading off my own expertise he's a whisper away anyway), pocket Rogue who is basically immune to AoE damage (indeed, the lava waves on Sarth are the only thing I've found that can kill him regularly if I don't manage him) and who can not only be buffed fully but scales with my own buffs as well. (He gets a 10% increase in Strength, gets the bonus from GotW, gets HoW, and then my own scaling kicks in!) As a quick and dirty test he does ~350-400 DPS on the highlord's dummy, and that's just with my own buff. Factor in sunders, a full suite of raid buffs (I actually lacked any +5% crit buff in that Sarth attempt), and that'll get... significantly higher. I really need to get a Patchwerk attempt in to get some more numbers.

Even better, because the DPS is distributed between two targets, you have no aggro cap! It's fabulous - my individual strikes might be a little softer, but as I don't generate aggro as heavily as say a Ret Paladin or Boomkin might, I can pop my cooldowns whenever and practically faceroll out near-5k DPS in partial blues until loot drops from the sky in large buckets.

In short, the ghoul, especially now, seems to make up for the loss of Blood-Gorged all my himself. The new mechanic to UHB giving our coils more love is just icing on a tasty cake and drives our DPS even higher, and keep in mind that BCB is better now as well. I'll try to get a Patchwerk result ASAP using the same gear so we have some more numbers to crunch over.

So you mean:

Spec Ghul

Dont spec Armorpen

Gem Strength cause Armorpen sux for Ghuls

...


Ghul + Strength > ArmorPen


Does this really work?

I have been using the 44/0/27 build for quite some time now and it's not just UB you are gaining. You also gaining a perma ghoul which is a significant amount of DPS. I often top the DPS charts in our Ulduar raids and the closest DK to me is using a 51/0/20 spec but I still beat him out on boss fights. So I wouldnt' rule out this build as it has been serving me well for the past couple months.